WHY do you want to vape in public???

[Jman8]

Reason #6) Because some members of the public really ought to be exposed to vaping indoors, especially if it is done respectfully, i.e. not blowing vapor into peoples faces/personal space. The war on vaping is declaring, from one side, that this can not occur, and their reasoning is filled with hyped up points that equal deception. Some people in public, let's call them smokers, have also been conditioned to some degree to believe it is always wrong to enjoy your habit when in the presence of others. Never mind personal space, but just mere presence. eCigs truly overcome that perception easily via demonstration, especially when done indoors, with respect.

As we may not all agree on what a respectful distance means, it behooves vapers to get out into the public, get indoors, and get busy setting that up. And not letting the "mere presence" folks determine that no distance is safe or respectful.

 

[Asmo6]

Whenever I see someone vaping in public and someone asks them to put it away, almost every time they come back with the "but it's just vapor" line. That to me is just so snooty and pretentious, it's no wonder we get such a bad name. What if you're running high PG juice and the person next to you is sensitive to the stuff? What if you're running some crazy 36mg nicotine and give an unwanted buzz to someone in the same room as you?

The ignorance most people have about e-cigs is overwhelming, but I don't think we should be fighting it by blowing vapor in everyone's faces (not literally, or maybe even literally). My philosophy is if you can smoke there, you can vape there. If you can't smoke there, ask or stealth vape if nobody is around.

Yes, the ignorance IS overwhelming.

Like the majority of your post. And what you believe to be possible with "36mg" juice or "PG".

You need to learn before you self punish. And build an acceptable "realm" in your brain - pushing vaping into the same health hazard levels as smoking. Can people get a 'contact' buzz from smoking a cigarette in a room? Then why would vaping be different if it's LESS readily absorbed into the lungs of the person vaping let alone people near by.

You have no idea how any of this works. But are readily forming ideas about what is acceptable behavior based on misinformation.

Which is exactly what anti's do.

 

[patkin]

I vape in public for many of the reasons you've stated other than just needing to when I'm out long enough. But, along that line, its also one of the reasons I wanted to switch form factors while in plublic. Back when I decided to, I only had 1000,1100, 1300 mah ego-type passthroughs and a Vamo. For me, they were conspicuous and I felt self-conscious. After I got an Eroll, I was comfortable. I think a relaxed, natural, appearance counts and I've had more smokers start up conversations with me than I did carrying the other setups. I do carry an ego in my purse to vape in the car and often pull it out to show someone who's interested. Sometimes I think I've single-handedly gotten smokers started with Erolls and their price increase makes me think I could be right... nah, not really.

 

[dzylzzrd]

Because I'm addicted to nicotine.

 

[k75srider]

I vape in public cause I want to vape, and also because I'm looking for a reaction. I live in a smallish Polish college town and the lack of reaction one way or the other surprises me. Guess no reaction is better then a negative one. Vape on!

 

[sweetgypsea]

I vape in public because, being relatively new to vaping, and having started my second attempt only 28 days ago, I absolutely MUST. I am in nicotine's stronghold right now, and I feel I cannot put it down!!!! Hey, at least it's better than smoking analogs.

 

[River Lizard]

This whole in public/indoors vaping thing is what's going to lead to it all getting regulations put on it. There's a time and a place (on a respect basis) vaping whereever you damn well feel like it, will must likely be not the time or the place for it in the long run.
This whole topic reminds me of gun laws...(by the way, I'm a multi gun owner) The people that believe they have every right to walk into a place of business with a M4 hanging from their shoulders, are the worst people to defend gun rights. Same theory holds true about vaping in a store/business... the world doesn't revolve around your ego and claims of rights! You're in the public which is shared by many people, who may or may not care about your vaping or not but until you know the opinions of everyone around you in that store, your rights/freedoms are limited. Give some respect and you'll earn some, show none and you'll probably get none back. Not everyone is going to respect vaping (most of it is probably due to being uneducated about it) but calling those people douche bags does none of us any good because it turns them from uneducated to not giving a chit about your opinion at all.
I've hunted all my life, I'd never even consider walking into a business (other than a sporting goods store) with my rifle or shotgun. People that do these things really make me want to have more regulations on weapons because it shows me that people lack common sense and if they lack common sense, they sure as heck don't need to own a weapon.

So do as you will but please consider your actions in public might be helping (indirectly) to dig the hole for vaping in general as cigarettes have been. It's up to us to show some respect and understanding to those who don't vape and those who are uneducated on it. The harder you push the "it's my right and I don't care what other people think stance" the worse it's going to get for the rest of us who just want to be left alone to vape without offending those around us.

 

[Jman8]

So do as you will but please consider your actions in public might be helping (indirectly) to dig the hole for vaping in general as cigarettes have been. It's up to us to show some respect and understanding to those who don't vape and those who are uneducated on it. The harder you push the "it's my right and I don't care what other people think stance" the worse it's going to get for the rest of us who just want to be left alone to vape without offending those around us.

Seems you are missing, in your diatribe, the portion of people that are annihilating the usage of eCigs where there are no droves of eCig users in public. Perhaps 100 years from now, when the whole debate is summed up in a paragraph, this chicken and egg logic will seem rationale to those future people. Today, it does not, and your point does miss this. Usage bans are not happening because of vapers, but because of anti-vapers. And anti-vapers aren't anti-vapers because of vapers. They are anti-vapers because of prevalence of what smoking once was, when it was done everywhere, enjoyed by the majority, and tolerated openly by nearly everyone.

I push hard, and will continue to push hard on the "it's my right and I do care what other people think" stance. And my experience is that the overwhelming majority of non-vapers do not care and are very tolerant about open vaping in their presence. My opinion, if less informed than it was at this moment, would say that this can't be the case, given the way smoking rights have transpired. But that opinion would be wrong, and not backed up by experience, observation, nor research.

Claim all that you desire that it is the vapers doing this to themselves. That some rude vapers are the cause of vaping bans. Current history, available from acute research at any public hearing shows this position is utterly misguided and dead wrong. The rude vaper is closer to myth than prevalent group amongst us, and yet they are to be held, among vapers, as cause of usage bans?

Sorry, but when you post lies, those lies deserve to be called out and noted for their fallaciousness given the current war against vaping.

My apologies to OP for not sticking to what OP wanted in this thread, but as I did already post on that and as one dared to enter into the thread what amounts to misguided logic, I chose to respond.

 

[Frenchfry1942]

I don't look for anything from other people. As a minimum, I just want to vape because I think it should be a socially acceptable thing to do. If I do it respectfully towards others, it really should be a concern. Heck, people passing gas is easier to do that vape.

 

[Revelene]

Openly expressing anything does not put regulation on anything, River Lizard. History shows us that being SUPPRESSED is what does the trick. When people go ahead and "accept" submission it allows the governments to regulate that much easier. The ONLY reason the government is reacting to e-cigs is the fact that they don't have their greedy hands on the profit. E-cigs have boosted sales quite a bit recently and the government isn't getting a cut. Go ahead and look at the propositions that are being pushed... it's all about the money.

 

[mamaclairbear]

I want to vape in public because I am excited about my hobby and want other people to know about it.

 

[CabinetGuyScott]

I want to vape in public because I am excited about my hobby and want other people to know about it.

That pretty well expresses my original motivation - that plus I could

But now it's to promote awareness, answer the curiosity questions, and help people understand the beauty of what the potentials of what vaping can mean.

The other night at bowling, I had 3 pv on the table (MVP & 2 simple ego batt/tanks). I had 2 conversations, with one of those evolving into potential converts.

I don't talk about them or vaping, but by having them out, essentially giving people the 'okay sign' to ask questions.

And btw, I vape all night long, and even more if the bowling pins are evading my best efforts!

 

[beckdg]

yesterday i was in class.
class just happens to be a wide open area where we get to drive tractor trailers and practice maneuvers.
one of the instructors started with a hissy fit about all the smokers needing to be confined to the smoking section. 5.5 weeks into a 7 week class and this hasn't been an issue yet. my guess is since everyone's been confined to a small area under a car port huddled around a torpedo heater and only littering that small space with their butts, now there's a concern that this guy might have to sweep the whole lot to keep things clean. but he didn't say.

that instructor took one of the students out on a drive... 20 to 30 mile round trip off of the lot.

i got to thinking. i wonder, since i'm not littering with cigarette butts from my REO grand... would the confinement to the smoking area apply to me.

so i asked the other instructor what he though the absent instructors opinion on that would be.

he implied that my question implied my feelings of guilt and that i already knew the answer if i had to ask.

i said. nope.

he got rather upset and snippy.

i said i don't smoke.

he said it looks like smoke and thus i am smoking something.

i said i no longer smoke and refuse to inhale smoke. i also reiterated that i'm not littering up the parking lot.

he was rather adamant. he was rather upset. he was belligerent. as his tone and volume raised i stood my ground.

i explained that under no uncertain terms did i have anything to feel guilty about. i do not smoke. i am not exhaling carcinogens. i am not endangering anyone around me. i am not littering up the lot and leaving it for someone else to deal with. i just was curious to what the perception of the other instructor might be on the subject.

then i chose to stay far enough away from the .... can that i wasn't exposed to the smoke from the smokers.

they have left me... and the smokers alone on the subject ever since... no matter where on the lot anyone was smoking.

 

[jpargana]

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So do as you will but please consider your actions in public might be helping (indirectly) to dig the hole for vaping in general as cigarettes have been. It's up to us to show some respect and understanding to those who don't vape and those who are uneducated on it. The harder you push the "it's my right and I don't care what other people think stance" the worse it's going to get for the rest of us who just want to be left alone to vape without offending those around us.

I have seen the first bans being discussed as far back as 2009! Back then, there were not many vapers (disrespectful or otherwise) to 'scare' the average Joe into demanding for an e-cig ban. Most of the people who were more vocal about e-cig bans (usually, parrots affiliated to this 'health organization' or that 'heart coalition' - organizations that were sponsored by Pharma) had not even SEEN an e-cig yet! They simply BELIEVED, by hear-say, that the e-cig 'smelled just as bad as a tobacco cigarette', that 'no-one knew what's in the e-liquid', that the e-cig can 'actually be more dangerous than tobacco'...

I recall reading some 'news' headline quoting some governor or such: "Now that we had tobacco under control, a new and TERRIBLE threat has risen".

THIS is the REAL reason behind illogical bans: the THREAT that the e-cig poses to tax Govt's revenues, to BT direct sales, to BP indirect sales (the REAL cash cow is selling expensive treatments to smokers who get ill. The innefective NRT business is peanuts to them), and to the established status quo of said 'organizations' and 'coalitions'.

Even when the only e-cigs available were the less effective, 1st generation ones ('cig-alikes' or with cig-alike technology, even without resembling a cigarette - I started with a small Janty Dura-C, for example), the terrible MENACE was there. 'They' readily understood this, and tried really hard to kill the e-cigarette in it's very infancy.

I try to be respectful about vaping. Outdoors, I will vape anywere I please. Indoors, I vape with the owner's permission. I do not agree with hiding our e-cigs or treating them like cigarettes, nor do I agree with the 'inconsiderate vaper' stance.

But I'm pretty sure, from what I've seen since the beginning of 2009, that the 'inconsiderate vaper' is NOT the cause of the illogical e-cig bans we see today. GREED is to blame. Dirty policy-makers would have us (ex-smokers who quit by using an e-cig) return to smoking to keep the taxes rolling. The new European TPD is a fine example of this - a Directive that will, in practice, HELP tobacco sales, instead of fighing them.

 

[Baldr]

I've hunted all my life, I'd never even consider walking into a business (other than a sporting goods store) with my rifle or shotgun.

Right. Because carrying rifles around is exactly the same thing as vaping in public.

 

[Jman8]

Reason #7) Because vaping indoors is sometimes like a little game for me.

I've said on other threads that I'm batting 1.000 in my indoor vaping. That means, I didn't ask, I vaped and haven't been busted yet or told not to. I ask far more often than I don't, but sometimes I don't ask. In those situations, I'm batting 1.000.

I've also said on other threads that I advocate for vape everywhere. That means if you can name any possible place on the planet, I will advocate for vaping there. I am yet to come up with an exception. That doesn't mean, for me, that I would vape in that location 100% of the time. Heck, I may vape in certain locations 0% of the time.

Except for reason #7, which is me playing a game of vaping in a place that either has a policy against vaping or I think they probably do. I don't play this game all the time, but it does often occur to me. Like, when I was in post office the other day standing in line. Couldn't bring myself to just vape openly in that crowded space. Didn't really want to, but kinda did, just for the heck of it. Then the little game idea came to me which was me saying, "okay, I'm not going to vape here in line. But if I'm on my way out and take a puff, then I can say I vaped in the post office." But alas, I didn't even do that. Mostly cause I didn't really feel like vaping in that moment.

But the game idea has stuck with me and as I am advocating for vaping everywhere and as I am currently batting 1.000, then shoot, I now have another reason to vape in public.

7 reasons and counting.