so my friend's mother stopped by. a long time smoker she wishes to get off of cigarettes. i intend on helping her. i was going to sell her something out of my "stockpile" since products are still readily available at this point, i was just going to buy something to replace what i sell. i set up a mod for her to try. it was a kanger kbox 200W mod and a reaper RDTA. she tried it and i though she was going to hack up a lung. i went and got one of my EVOD units. she tried that and was OK with it, she was hacking. that EVOD produces ALLOT less vapor then what i use now. can someone explain why a life-long smoker will hack their brains out when trying a high powered mod, but when using a pen style they arent coughing their brains out. she was coughing pretty bad, and i felt bad she was experiencing that. i have been vaping probably about 6 years now. is it something about her technique, the way she draws on it? why is it i can chuck clouds but she is having a hard time at 40 watts? i normally vape at 70 watts on a .25 ohm build. can someone explain this?
why does someone who never vaped before hack and cough
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I think it's because those little evods,protanks,etc. are closer to the draw you get from a cigarette,so it's what the person is used to.When i switched,i used an ego with a ce5 clearo,and to me,it was almost the same draw as i was used to,but when i switched to something with more airflow i coughed a lot at first.
They don't trust it yet.
A hard draw on a smoke and a vape produces the opposite effect. With a smoke, the harder the draw the more oxygen fuels combustion producing a hotter denser inhale. It's completely opposite with a vape. The anxious new user draws extra light thinking that is how you minimize harshness. The exact opposite is the truth. The harder a user pulls on a vape the cooler and more airy the result. More air flows over the coil(s) and more fresh air mixes in reducing the density.
Try to convince her to pull hard and short.
A hard draw on a smoke and a vape produces the opposite effect. With a smoke, the harder the draw the more oxygen fuels combustion producing a hotter denser inhale. It's completely opposite with a vape. The anxious new user draws extra light thinking that is how you minimize harshness. The exact opposite is the truth. The harder a user pulls on a vape the cooler and more airy the result. More air flows over the coil(s) and more fresh air mixes in reducing the density.
Try to convince her to pull hard and short.
Steam is more dense than smoke/normal air.
The larger vapor particles are felt hitting our throats, whereas the fine smoke particles pass with little to no sensation.
More vapor, more sensation, more "discomfort".
Just my 2¢.
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The larger vapor particles are felt hitting our throats, whereas the fine smoke particles pass with little to no sensation.
More vapor, more sensation, more "discomfort".
Just my 2¢.
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Almost all smokers, that I've had try a vape for the first time, coughs. It takes a bit to get used to the difference in vapor and smoke.
Also, cigarettes have a numbing agent in the chemical makeup. Vaping is a more pure form of getting nic. Nothing added to numb the throat.
Also, cigarettes have a numbing agent in the chemical makeup. Vaping is a more pure form of getting nic. Nothing added to numb the throat.
One other thing I notice with new vapers is that they will hit the fire button before they begin to draw. The vapor that builds up is super harsh.
I remember my first drag on a vape, coughed pretty bad. This was with a vivi nova tank on an ego twist. When I decided to switch to vaping I continued to have coughing fits until I lowered my nic from 24 to 18.
Remember your friend's mom is a beginning vapor, not an experienced one. She doesn't need to start by blowing clouds. Setting her up with a beginners vape will help.
okay... analogy time...
guy says he wants to ride his first horse and never ridden before...
do you bring out the primed racehorse or do you bring out the relaxed training mare?
it's like when my hubby bought a sled a few years ago, where I live in Ontario now it's not uncommon to see them around resturants in winter instead of cars/trucks lol... I'm from the canuck rockies where we don't use sleds, because of avalanches, so I've never been on one before... I get on the back and the goof decides it's time to go 90mph a block from our house... and he wondered why I got a little upset with him after being fine for the first block of going 30mph. of course it might have helped if he had even warned me...
your lungs are going to react differently to smoke or water vapor, while the vaper is better it is heavier and an adjustment your lungs need a little bit of time to get used to. giving her something that can put out a lot of clouds(compared to a starter) was kinda mean in a well intentioned way. I know you didn't mean to make her cough up a lung, but you do have 6 years of vaping compared to her none lol. give her a month of something like the evod, she'll be back for the rdta.
guy says he wants to ride his first horse and never ridden before...
do you bring out the primed racehorse or do you bring out the relaxed training mare?
it's like when my hubby bought a sled a few years ago, where I live in Ontario now it's not uncommon to see them around resturants in winter instead of cars/trucks lol... I'm from the canuck rockies where we don't use sleds, because of avalanches, so I've never been on one before... I get on the back and the goof decides it's time to go 90mph a block from our house... and he wondered why I got a little upset with him after being fine for the first block of going 30mph. of course it might have helped if he had even warned me...
your lungs are going to react differently to smoke or water vapor, while the vaper is better it is heavier and an adjustment your lungs need a little bit of time to get used to. giving her something that can put out a lot of clouds(compared to a starter) was kinda mean in a well intentioned way. I know you didn't mean to make her cough up a lung, but you do have 6 years of vaping compared to her none lol. give her a month of something like the evod, she'll be back for the rdta.
I think MOST new vapers do better with lower power, often a tight draw - and if quitting cigs, probably higher nic.
There's a difference in DRAW, and there's also a difference in lung-feel that you get USED to over time.
I know early on, it felt weird to vape and would sometimes trigger a cough - but then you get used to vaping.
And again - for MOST people, their draw changes, and they very likely become ready for bigger draws, more air, maybe shift to lung hits, and move to higher power mods. Or not - some people just stick with tight draw devices and will vape an Ego-type device happily long-term.
There's a difference in DRAW, and there's also a difference in lung-feel that you get USED to over time.
I know early on, it felt weird to vape and would sometimes trigger a cough - but then you get used to vaping.
And again - for MOST people, their draw changes, and they very likely become ready for bigger draws, more air, maybe shift to lung hits, and move to higher power mods. Or not - some people just stick with tight draw devices and will vape an Ego-type device happily long-term.
That's it ... Get her a something like a Kanger AeroTank with a replaceable 1.5 ohm coil (or close to 1.5 ohms).
Turn down the airflow so it has about the same draw as what you would get from a cigarette doing mouth to lung inhales.
She should start out with about 10.5 - 11.0 watts of power using the 1.5 ohm coil.
Have her stay away from sub-ohm style atomizers to start off with.
I always forget to turn my rig down to the lowest setting before letting someone try it.
You know those cigalikes at the store counter? That's about the speed you want to let most first-timers try vaping. But, then the nic level needs to be 12-24 mg for them to get it.
You know those cigalikes at the store counter? That's about the speed you want to let most first-timers try vaping. But, then the nic level needs to be 12-24 mg for them to get it.
When I first started vaping while still smoking vapor irritated my throat because I was a smoker. But back to you letting her try vaping what is the nicotine content and the VG/PG ratio?
I'm wondering if the newer nic Salt bases are going to be an asset in these cases in the future. Much milder at the higher levels some beginners need.
Maybe a DTL tank @ low watts to lessen the amount of steam.
Maybe a DTL tank @ low watts to lessen the amount of steam.
I was always a MTL smoker. However, my wife was always a STL smoker. Boy, you're married to someone for 40 years and you think you know them. Who knew. Anyway, 4 years ago, in the beginning, she had to modify they way she inhaled.
To this day, she still draws way harder than I do. A low ohm, open airflow, STL device would blow her head off.
To this day, she still draws way harder than I do. A low ohm, open airflow, STL device would blow her head off.
Excellent point! I'm on day 3 and this is the way I pull. Works just fine for me on 40w running .5 atlantas. I smoked for 8 years myself. I'll never go back. Love vaping!
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In my age bracket, simpler is better. At least until I figure out how to set the clock on the VCR.
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