Why don't flavors steep in their concentrated form?

[Blackbeard]

I use Double RY4 as my all day vape. It tends to get better as it sits in my squirt bottle, which every one calls steeping. The mixture is made of NIC, PG, VG and the DRY4 flavoring.

I guess I don't understand steeping and what all goes on, but my question is:

Why doesn't the concentrated flavor in it's little vial I get from WL steep before I mix it. I'm guessing that NIC doesn't change, nor does PG or VG, so what goes on when you mix it all together and why doesn't the flavoring, which is apparently all that changes, do it's thing by itself? Could it be the interaction of nicotine and the flavoring?

 

[Hoosier]

Steeping is allowing entropy to happen. That cannot happen until the flavoring is introduced to the universe that is the bottle of juice.

Think of it as entropy and each time the boundaries are expanded, by the addition of components, the process of reaching a stable entropic condition is started anew.

 

[boomerdude]

In other words, You have one flavor, the different molecules join together to produce that particular flavor. So it really is steeping, constantly. Until of course, entropy sets in. The only way to fix that is with fairy dust, dragon farts and a rainbow from Hoosierland.


* Stable entropy? Really? Who knew!

 

[Hoosier]

...Stable entropy? Really? Who knew!

Hey, not everyone is going to get that joke. (Heck I didn't expect anyone to get it so soon...)

 

[BakuPeg]

The flavor molecules want to get busy with the Nic, PG and VG molecules.

No Mixie, No Flirting, No foreplay, No steep.

 

[boomerdude]

Yeah, it's sort of like Xeno's Paradox*. You can't get there from here.

* Xeno's Paradox in plain English. Take a distance, any distance, say a mile. As you travel from point a to b, measure half the distance each time. So your first walk would measure a half mile before you have to measure again. Second walk would measure 1/4 mile. Continue this way and let us know when you get there.

Hey, not everyone is going to get that joke. (Heck I didn't expect anyone to get it so soon...)

 

[Lemonaid]

Nice...speaking of entropy generators (and no the grand kids don't count in this case)

I've been reading about these ultrasonic cleaners. (out of my budget at the moment)
Is there another home process that may help speed things along?

 

[glassmanoak]

Yeah, it's sort of like Xeno's Paradox*. You can't get there from here.

* Xeno's Paradox in plain English. Take a distance, any distance, say a mile. As you travel from point a to b, measure half the distance each time. So your first walk would measure a half mile before you have to measure again. Second walk would measure 1/4 mile. Continue this way and let us know when you get there.

Think of it this way... Before you can end your journey from a to b, you must have traveled halfway there. BUT, before you travel halfway there, you must have traveled a quarter of the way there. etc. The question is "Can you ever start"?

 

[boomerdude]

Yes, you can start. But only by taking the "E" train from the starting point.

Think of it this way... Before you can end your journey from a to b, you must have traveled halfway there. BUT, before you travel halfway there, you must have traveled a quarter of the way there. etc. The question is "Can you ever start"?

 

[mainevaper]

Oxidation, which can only occur when fresh air has been introduced...

 

[glassmanoak]

Is it oxidation or just a mingling of flavors? I'm thinking wine in a bottle, an anaerobic condition, for years.. or centuries.

 

[unloaded]

If, while trying to get from point A to point B, you're driving in your car at the speed of light and you turn on your headlights, what do they do?

 

[FelixOverland]

Obviously, your headlights would call Chuck Norris, who would then miraculously ninja kick you in the bean-bag for breaking yet another law of physics.

seriously though, they'd probably make a neat light show behind you

PS I now feel incredibly immature.

 

[unloaded]

Is it oxidation or just a mingling of flavors? I'm thinking wine in a bottle, an anaerobic condition, for years.. or centuries.

I think it's a bit of both. To help them mingle I pull the whole batch in/out of a syringe with smallest needle that works with the VG content. I do this 5-6 times and do it pretty aggressively. It seems to force all the liquids together better than just shaking. Speaking of oxidizing and wine, in another thread we were talking about using something like a wine aerator to expose more of the juice to the air and possibly speed up the steeping. I don't think this has been put to the test yet, but it will be soon.

 

[Hoosier]

Air is breathing, not steeping.

Steeping is maximum distribution of all components.

You can bubble in all the air in the world, but don't call it steeping, else I will be forced to follow your posts and keep arguing. (Insert Oh's and Ah's here.)

 

[mainevaper]

Air is breathing, not steeping.

Steeping is maximum distribution of all components.

You can bubble in all the air in the world, but don't call it steeping, else I will be forced to follow your posts and keep arguing. (Insert Oh's and Ah's here.)

Agreed! All the fluids must be evenly dispersed. However... Oxidation helps this process, and I truly believe a bubbler in a bucket of juice would help tremendously

Too bad I seldom mix BUCKETS of juice....

 

[Blackbeard]

On some of my first attempts at DIY, I think I ended up with something like farts.

As far as the car driving from point A to point B, I know someone had some of that foul smelling juice in the car.

As far as entropy, I haven't heard that term since high school, so about 45 years or so ago. Makes sense, but way too complicated of an answer for this old mind and for such a simple question. I can see how heating and sonic excitement would make it go quicker. Seems like any excitement would work, though, so I'll think about that for a while.

thanks for all explanations.

 

[Blackbeard]

If, while trying to get from point A to point B, you're driving in your car at the speed of light and you turn on your headlights, what do they do?

I can tell you what mine would do. I've had to replace a battery in my truck and get an alignment on the car in the last two days. My headlights would just burn out and need replacement. What would happen if you were traveling backwards, in reverse, and turned on your headlights? Would light stand still?

 

[Cool_K]

Personal interpretations of terms aside, should I stick my 120ml bottle of Double RY4 flavoring in the fridge/freezer?

 

[mainevaper]

Personal interpretations of terms aside, should I stick my 120ml bottle of Double RY4 flavoring in the fridge/freezer?

I'm not a physics major... But I would think that would help to seperate the different fluids if anything...
Heat would help to blend them as heat always speeds molecules... Cold slows them.