I am curious why vendors don't steep liquids before shipping? I see over and over again how much online purchases come, and require steeping. I would think that vendors would lose too many potential customers due to customers trying the liquids before the flavors have fully developed?
Why don't vendors pre steep e-liquids?
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I don't know the answer - can't speak for the vendors. But, my guess is that is cost prohibitive to do that. They would have to keep inventory of too many different flavors and options, and need to store them, and run the risk of not selling them in the near future. I think it's a two-edged sword. On one hand, people like that their juices are hand-mixed to their specifications, but on the other hand, they also would like them steeped.
I'm curious of what information others have on this as well.
I'm curious of what information others have on this as well.
I figured the same thing. But some of the larger vendors should be able to do this? Especially with particular popular flavors that are known to require steeping? Or even leave them uncapped for half a day before shipping to begin the process? Just brainstorming here.
I used to have the same peeve. Then I discovered that it depends on individual taste. If a juice can change over time, it can continue to change. I've found some juices I like after a month steep while other people like it right out of the mail and visa versa. Some people think a given juice reaches it's peak after 2-3 months where I find that it has become muddy.
So if I think a juice needs 2 months of steeping but I think it becomes bland after 4 months, isn't it safer for me to get fresh mix and just steep it myself rather than ask the vendor for a 9/13 vintage? In addition if it's the first time trying a juice how would I know what vintage I'm going to like? Wouldn't I want a fresh mix and try it weekly until I found a steep time I liked or until it went bad?
Anyhoo, Just easier to get fresh mixed and steep it myself, besides my tastes may change and I might find I like it better right out of the box the next time I bought it.
So if I think a juice needs 2 months of steeping but I think it becomes bland after 4 months, isn't it safer for me to get fresh mix and just steep it myself rather than ask the vendor for a 9/13 vintage? In addition if it's the first time trying a juice how would I know what vintage I'm going to like? Wouldn't I want a fresh mix and try it weekly until I found a steep time I liked or until it went bad?
Anyhoo, Just easier to get fresh mixed and steep it myself, besides my tastes may change and I might find I like it better right out of the box the next time I bought it.
Inventory costs money.
If you have to predict your sales 3 weeks ahead you have to always have 3 weeks of inventory on hand to meet sales. Overshoot and you have liquid that may go bad. Undershoot and you can't meet sales.
Inventory is counted as income for tax purposes until it sells.
Plus a lot of these places that require steeping allow for customization. You pick your PG/VG ratio and can request extra flavoring.
Although I wanted liquid that was consistent and able to be used instantly I completely understand where those that don't are coming from. I have wished a place I used that didn't require steeping would've had customization, which would've required steeping.
If you have to predict your sales 3 weeks ahead you have to always have 3 weeks of inventory on hand to meet sales. Overshoot and you have liquid that may go bad. Undershoot and you can't meet sales.
Inventory is counted as income for tax purposes until it sells.
Plus a lot of these places that require steeping allow for customization. You pick your PG/VG ratio and can request extra flavoring.
Although I wanted liquid that was consistent and able to be used instantly I completely understand where those that don't are coming from. I have wished a place I used that didn't require steeping would've had customization, which would've required steeping.
...and in some cases... vendors don't have infinite supplies - some vendors routinely run out of flavors and other key ingredients.
It's not their fault - in most cases. Sometimes their suppliers run out of what they need... and sometimes there are cash flow issues.
...but also... who really cares? I appreciate that my liquid isn't sent pre-steeped. I am not one who looks at these chemical soups like fine wines... rather, I look at them more like dairy products.
Steeping a day or two is okay - but in almost 4 years of vaping, I can think of just a couple liquids I would want to steep more than a few days.
On the contrary, I frequently get rid of liquid that sits too long... as far as I am concerned, they tend to spoil and go bad... not appreciate with time.
There is an over-emphasis on flavor... and while flavor is important... I can't imagine that it is more important than performance. If it were, we could just drop the liquid on our tongues and save money by not buying mods and cartos etc...
I really do find performance decreases when a liquid sits too long.
When I load a carto, atty or tank with my liquid, I want a hassle-free vaping experience... I don't want clogging, poor wicking or low vapor production to interfere with my vaping experience.
It's not their fault - in most cases. Sometimes their suppliers run out of what they need... and sometimes there are cash flow issues.
...but also... who really cares? I appreciate that my liquid isn't sent pre-steeped. I am not one who looks at these chemical soups like fine wines... rather, I look at them more like dairy products.
Steeping a day or two is okay - but in almost 4 years of vaping, I can think of just a couple liquids I would want to steep more than a few days.
On the contrary, I frequently get rid of liquid that sits too long... as far as I am concerned, they tend to spoil and go bad... not appreciate with time.
There is an over-emphasis on flavor... and while flavor is important... I can't imagine that it is more important than performance. If it were, we could just drop the liquid on our tongues and save money by not buying mods and cartos etc...
I really do find performance decreases when a liquid sits too long.
When I load a carto, atty or tank with my liquid, I want a hassle-free vaping experience... I don't want clogging, poor wicking or low vapor production to interfere with my vaping experience.
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Some vendors have custom orders.
Ie: Mount Baker Vapor
They have bottle (size/flavor shots 1-5/ nicotine 24/18/12/8/0) options on all their flavors.
Im not good at math but, I think that would be like 25 combinations per flavor (not including bottle size).
If they have 50 flavors they would have to have 1250 bottle steeping, just to have one of each combination for each flavor.
So if you want to buy two of each possible combination it would be 2500 bottles they would need to have waitin for you, for at least two weeks.
Now imagine they have 500 customers.... if each customer wants one of each possible combination abaliable upon demand. They need 625,000 bottles sittig around for at least two weeks.
Now image they have 5000 customers.... I would require alot of labor and space to store juice for that many customers, in order to make enough for customers to buy any given flavor at any time.
The reasoning goes on forever but, Im guessing it would just be too expensive for most companies to do.
Ie: Mount Baker Vapor
They have bottle (size/flavor shots 1-5/ nicotine 24/18/12/8/0) options on all their flavors.
Im not good at math but, I think that would be like 25 combinations per flavor (not including bottle size).
If they have 50 flavors they would have to have 1250 bottle steeping, just to have one of each combination for each flavor.
So if you want to buy two of each possible combination it would be 2500 bottles they would need to have waitin for you, for at least two weeks.
Now imagine they have 500 customers.... if each customer wants one of each possible combination abaliable upon demand. They need 625,000 bottles sittig around for at least two weeks.
Now image they have 5000 customers.... I would require alot of labor and space to store juice for that many customers, in order to make enough for customers to buy any given flavor at any time.
The reasoning goes on forever but, Im guessing it would just be too expensive for most companies to do.
I understand that not all flavors and combinations could be steeped. I am talking about particular flavors that are known to need steeping time. I am wondering if they couldn't steep the most common flavors in the most common strengths that they know will be ordered withing a week or two. Of the vendors that I have re-ordered from, I know that they have a dozen top sellers-and about half of those need steeping (Most of the falvors are good right away). So that would narrow it down to say 6 flavors in say 3 combinations. And again, no they couldnt foresee and steep each and every bottle but at least some of the flavors that require steeping that may be going out to new customers would be closer to the true flavor.
My other example/thought was-when mixing the orders up-let them steep uncapped for 12-24 hrs before closing and shipping. That way they would be able to steep during shipment. Instead of mixing capping immediately and shipping.
I want to say-I do appreciate the input and the explanations given-and a lot of what you are saying makes sense!!!
My other example/thought was-when mixing the orders up-let them steep uncapped for 12-24 hrs before closing and shipping. That way they would be able to steep during shipment. Instead of mixing capping immediately and shipping.
I want to say-I do appreciate the input and the explanations given-and a lot of what you are saying makes sense!!!
There are 3 vendors I know of that pre-steep their juices before delivery. They can do this because they mix their juices in batches rather than to order, which I prefer, as it leads to consistency in the product flavor and quality.
NiteLiteVapor - http://www.pvliquids.com/
Vermillion River - Welcome to Vermillion River Premium E-Juice
Halo - E-liquid | Electronic Cigarette | E Cig Liquid | Halo Cigs
NiteLiteVapor - http://www.pvliquids.com/
Vermillion River - Welcome to Vermillion River Premium E-Juice
Halo - E-liquid | Electronic Cigarette | E Cig Liquid | Halo Cigs
The Vape Tree mixes juices per order and does an ultrasonic steep before mailing out. I've tried three juices and all of them were good right away.
Welcome to The Vape Tree - Purveyor of Premium E-juice!!
Welcome to The Vape Tree - Purveyor of Premium E-juice!!
Are you sure Halo presteeps? They all have a BOD of a couple weeks or more? Im curious because Ive heard that they do presteep but, the site makes no mention of it.
Also I would add that Nicquids stuff is the same way. Its been presteeped by a month or more each time I get it. Granted I order from smoklessimage most of the time. Duno how it works if you buy from their site. Im assuming its the same.
Does Steep simply mean to let it sit or do we need to add some other type of liquid?
And if so how long should we steep the liquids that we purchase
And if so how long should we steep the liquids that we purchase
Steeping means simply to let any alcohol content evaporate. Steeping also allows the flavors to mix in more thoroughly. Not all e liquids need steeping. Usually leaving e liquid uncovered for 24 hours then covering and shaking a time or two per day for a week will get the liquid to where most people want it to be.
No alcohol in my DIY. I "steep" with the lids on. They change.
There's something magical that happens to TFA Caramel Cappuccino around 3 weeks.
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