Why eGo?
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See I disagree for someone who skipped the cigalike a classic ego works. They may not be ready for the whole variable thing yet. Let them go at their pace. If they are ready by all mean go something variable but the few that are starting new are jittery enough about the whole vaping thing. Their eyes just roll when you mention variable.
I personally recommend Vision Spinners to start. I know it's personal taste but I find the way the dial is on the Spinner easier to read than the twist.
I would agree with a twist and I posted that very thing in an earlier thread. I like the Ego form factor so a twist or vision spinner is ideal. A standard ego is really a waste as a lot of people will want to upgrade very fast. I would not, however, suggest an MVP or an itaste 3.0 until someone has used a twist or spinner for a while.
ego is easy. you can buy a 900mah ego battery from fasttech for less than $6, which smokes the battery life of the itaste or whatever else. you know what you're getting with ego, and 510 threadings sorta suck. the combination of kanger mini protank 2's or the clones and an ego is the standard of what an e-cig should be. whether you have to drill out an airhole or not to get it how you want it, for the price you pay, you get the best out of it. an ego setup shouldnt cost you $35. you can buy 3 batteries for $15, 3 pyrex tanks for $3-4 each and a charger for $3. any way you slice it, that is like 3 individual e-cigs for under $35 sans juice.
When I started out, the local B&M suggested the Vamo 2 with Kanger tank (going by my PAD habit).
It was the perfect tool for me to quit smoking.
I pretty much stayed with VV/VW devices, but I also got me some Evod VV batteries with mini PT's (for convenience/portability sake) and a couple of Bolts (mech).
I have a MVP2, SID, SVD, Provari, Semovar, Magneto, Natural, 3x Evod VV and 2x Evod.
I use the Provari and Semovar most times, and the Evods when I run around doing errands.
I like to rebuild coils (I don't sub-ohm) and make my own liquids.
Only real thing missing is a high-end mech mod, but I'm working on that.
I love all my devices and want to know every aspect that goes along with them.
also, I'm female
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It was the perfect tool for me to quit smoking.
I pretty much stayed with VV/VW devices, but I also got me some Evod VV batteries with mini PT's (for convenience/portability sake) and a couple of Bolts (mech).
I have a MVP2, SID, SVD, Provari, Semovar, Magneto, Natural, 3x Evod VV and 2x Evod.
I use the Provari and Semovar most times, and the Evods when I run around doing errands.
I like to rebuild coils (I don't sub-ohm) and make my own liquids.
Only real thing missing is a high-end mech mod, but I'm working on that.
I love all my devices and want to know every aspect that goes along with them.
also, I'm female
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I believe you did! But congrats on it all working out for you.I think I lost track of what I wanted to say
Also, congratulations on being a female?
The problem is, most people don't import direct from china on their first e-cig purchase.
900mah is not a very high battery life, and it's the same as the itaste vv, and 1/3 of the MVP.
510 threading is the standard, wether or not you like it, and both the itaste vv and MVP have ego threading.
You're right though, those crappy 900 mah, 3.3v batteries are worth about $6.
Your recommendation is either that a new vaper starts out with one battery and buys a pack of cigarettes when their battery dies, or you're telling me I should've wasted money getting VV batteries I had no need for.
Is your join date about your starting vaping date? If so what makes you think you're simply not recommending the phase you're in?
Why an MVP? Why not a VTR? Why not a real box mod? Why an iTaste VV? Why not a Vamo? Why not a Provari? Why not a DNA30?
An eGo is a good cheap reliable starting point for people to started and then make up their own minds on what they want.
No, my join date is not my starting vaping date, I've been vaping for about 3 years.
Why an MVP over other apv's? Because it doesn't require you know anything about batteries.
The MVP will not die on you from even 2 days use at 1.5 - 3 ohms. Plus it has all the features of some much, much more expensive mods. And the vv and MVP itastes both have passthrough capability.
I'm saying this because I would have liked this advice when I started. Nobody was around to tell me not to buy the $80 cig-a-like I bought, I didn't know egos weren't worth the $110 I got scammed out of. If I was suggested a product like the MVP, I wouldn't have taken so long to admit how amazing vaping is. It took a lot of trial and error for me to get a decent device, part of that trial and error was an ego. I'm not saying that they don't work for some people, but if you're going to buy a name brand one, you might as well skip it, because for a couple dollars more, you can get right on the level with all the other apv's.
One of the biggest hurdles a new vapor goes through is the size adjustment. For most this has to be a gradual process. They find cig-a-likes attractive due to the size and shape familiarity. Most will find jumping straight to a full size PV or a box mod disconcerting and it will feel foreign in their hands. Spinners and Twists while a bit larger than a cigarette is a bit easier to get used to than the more advanced devices.
You should also consider that even the terminology just to use a device is probably new to most people. They have no idea what an ohm even is, much less ohms law and what settings to use on a VV device. The straight forward twist for more power is easier to grasp without then getting too overwhelmed.
You should also consider that even the terminology just to use a device is probably new to most people. They have no idea what an ohm even is, much less ohms law and what settings to use on a VV device. The straight forward twist for more power is easier to grasp without then getting too overwhelmed.
When I got my first Ego Twist, the MVP didn't exist yet. However, I think many people at that stage are still into the size issue and getting something like an MVP is just a bit weird to them. I recommend them because it is VV and fairly cheap. There is no right or wrong here, just my opinion.
My B&M suggested the evod starter kit($40) explaining it had 2 batteries, 5 pack of extra coils and two "tanks". They provided a free 15ml of juice and I was on my way. It worked and works well for me. Now, if I had gone in and was shown a variety of battery choices, vv included, variety of tanks, ohm talk and told to make a choice, I would have walked out. The evod was an all inclusive deal and everything "matched". My 2¢
We must be living in different worlds.
First of all, an MVP is not 'comparable in price' to an ego. I can easily buy 4/5/6 egos for the price of one MVP.
Two, many people are perfectly happy with egos. I have other devices but I use an ego/CE6 combo 99% of the time due to form/convenience. And I won't have a heart attack if I lose/break it.
Something like half of the US's population lives paycheck to paycheck. If people think they *have* to have a hundred-dollar-plus system to start vaping, many won't even try - they can't afford to risk that much money. Let them start out cheaply. Then - if they feel they need more - they can't get more robust systems. Or not.
And I'd never look at ego batteries as a waste. They're a great backup. Or give them to a friend who's thinking about vaping. It's not like you have to throw them away just because you're bought something better.
I guess I personally don't do this (I usually recommend a Twist instead & a passthrough battery for backup) but I think mostly people do it because it fits people more generally. Not everyone will like the boxy feed of the MVP. A person needs to explore vaping more before deciding on a higher priced device like a Provari. They also should explore before jumping into mechs/RBAs. So the ego is a good start for exploration & will be a good back up when one does upgrade.
Everything mechanical or electrical has the potential to FAIL.
I've heard those miraculous claims about the MVP battery and I don't buy it. 2600mah is 2600mah no matter how you slice it.
I've also heard of people going from Blu to a Vea claiming 650mah lasts them days. It's all in how you use them.
Even if MVP lasted 5 days it's going to eventually need recharged. PT isn't going to save you when you're driving or laying in bed. And if you keep a PT plugged in and topped up it does shorten battery life.
New vapors need backups period.
I think a VV is good at some point to see what you like and fine tune flavors. But you need backups and you don't necessarily need VV. If you don't need VV like I didn't buying backups of VV would be a waste. If you have a local like I do you could start with a single VV, try it for a week and see if you need more VVs or if regular eGos would suit you, you could also handle the bigger VVs to see if you like them. But if you're relying on shipping like many do that isn't practical.
IMO an MVP is the worst recommendation for a first and only ecig. It's not handy to carry 2 boxes and accidents do happen. For me it's not even handy to carry 1 box, although that's because I'm set up to carry 2 18650 mods or eGos.
I do want a VTR but it's planned for home use only.
It's not a "few" or a "couple" dollars more. Gotvapes is $60 for an MVP, $33 for a 1000mah Twist, $30 for a 1300mah Spinner. MMP for Joye eGo Upgrades are $17-$21. As someone pointed out you can get unbranded eGos for cheap.
The main reason why some stay with (or in some cases, return to ) the eGo-c, eg., is form, function and cost - as Myk points to. Small, yet with enough battery to give you 5+ hours, plus with the upgrade batts, you have the charge led indicator, (missing on the Twist) and if needed, a boost with the "unregulated mode". A twist or vv is nice for sampling liquids to find the wattage sweet spot, but once you find your ADV favors and the right wattage for them, you can use the right coil with an eGo that gets you there.
Mods are fun and interesting in the various" solutions that creative minds can provide, but I admire them from "afar" I played the"latest and greatest" game for a while, but returned to the joye eGo-c upgrades. I have a few Twists for sampling but rarely vape them all day.
Mods are fun and interesting in the various" solutions that creative minds can provide, but I admire them from "afar"
I played the"latest and greatest" game for a while, but returned to the joye eGo-c upgrades. I have a few Twists for sampling but rarely vape them all day.
I justified my first ecig by saying to myself that it was the same price as a carton of cigs. If I would have had to put out $100.00, I wouldn't have done it, and missed out. I'm still at the Vision Spinner/T3S/Aspire BDC stage, and may stay there. It's a gradual process for most of us, taking it one step at a time. Ego's are just the start point, inexpensive enough to get in, and something to have to compare to before the next step.
As someone who is new to this i'll give you my two cents worth.
I went straight from analogs to the eGo and i love it. It gives me a decent throat hit with the right juice, i have never had the battery fail on me yet (in a few days of use) and it gives me a good amount of vapour and flavour if i use it right.
For me, one of the major factors is ergonomics. It has to feel natural and comfortable in my hand, and also in my pocket. I honestly see no flaws in the eGo, but again i must stress, i'm a noob.
However, 'upgrading' hasn't even crossed my mind. Though perhaps someone could enlighten me, what am i missing by sticking with the eGo?
I went straight from analogs to the eGo and i love it. It gives me a decent throat hit with the right juice, i have never had the battery fail on me yet (in a few days of use) and it gives me a good amount of vapour and flavour if i use it right.
For me, one of the major factors is ergonomics. It has to feel natural and comfortable in my hand, and also in my pocket. I honestly see no flaws in the eGo, but again i must stress, i'm a noob.
However, 'upgrading' hasn't even crossed my mind. Though perhaps someone could enlighten me, what am i missing by sticking with the eGo?
I'm pretty new myself, and will probably get laughed at for saying this. My opinion is I don't think you are missing a thing. I started with something very similar to what you have, a couple of ego batteries, a couple of toppers and some juices.
I kept reading and reading and everyone talks about "you really do need a vv device" to find your sweet spot with juice. Like you, I was really happy with my egos, but became convinced I was missing out. I caved and ordered a Vision Spinner. It came today, and other than it's a different color, and cost more, it looks and feels remarkably like the egos I have. This is good, because everything I already have will work with it, chargers, clearomizers, etc.
Maybe my taste is just not discerning enough to detect the difference between this new gadget and the ones I already was using. I honestly cannot tell a difference in my vaping experience. I wish I had spent the $$ on some new juices instead.
But now, I can say I have a back up for my back ups.
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