Why has store bought 'freebase' e-juice gotten so low in Nic content ?

[Flt Simulation]

When I started vaping about 9 years ago, you could buy ready-made freebase e-juice in 24mg nic, 18mg nic, 15mg nic strength and so-on. In fact, initially, I started vaping 24mg nicotine tobacco flavored juice in order to give up those Marlboro cigarettes.

Now it seems like about the strongest avail ready-made freebase juice is only about 6mg nic. Why have they lowered the nicotine strength so much on store bought freebase juice?

On the other hand, they sell ready made salt juice with as high as 50mg nic.

None of this makes any sense to me.

 

[englishmick]

When I started vaping about 9 years ago, you could buy ready-made freebase e-juice in 24mg nic, 18mg nic, 15mg nic strength and so-on. In fact, initially, I started vaping 24mg nicotine tobacco flavored juice in order to give up those Marlboro cigarettes.

Now it seems like about the strongest avail ready-made freebase juice is only about 6mg nic. Why have they lowered the nicotine strength so much on store bought freebase juice?

On the other hand, they sell ready made salt juice with as high as 50mg nic.

None of this makes any sense to me.

I started around the same time as you, also with 24mg juice. I know tanks have changed. With an Ego you needed high nic juice to feed your needs. When I started it was Egos or cigalikes, unless you were adventurous and ventured out on the internet.

People just off the cigs still need a lot more nic than us old timers. My guess is that most quitters today start with pods. Maybe that's part of the story. Shops are going to sell what people buy the most.

 

[zoiDman]

When I started vaping about 9 years ago, you could buy ready-made freebase e-juice in 24mg nic, 18mg nic, 15mg nic strength and so-on. In fact, initially, I started vaping 24mg nicotine tobacco flavored juice in order to give up those Marlboro cigarettes.

Now it seems like about the strongest avail ready-made freebase juice is only about 6mg nic. Why have they lowered the nicotine strength so much on store bought freebase juice?

On the other hand, they sell ready made salt juice with as high as 50mg nic.

None of this makes any sense to me.

JMO

As "Sub-Ohm" vaping became more and more Popular, and as Many started to use Increasingly Higher Wattages, people tended to move towards Lower and Lower mg's/ml. Levels in the Single Digits became very common.

The Direct Opposite occurred with the "Pod Movement". People wanted High Nicotine to get their thrills when using a Low Powered Device. 50 became the Magic Number. And who would offer 45 if their competitor offered 50? LOL

So you have the Low mg/ml stuff for the Sub-Ohm-ers. And the High Nicotine "juice" for the Pod People. And, as always, those who use something that Isn't currently En Vogue are left to make do with what they can

 

[Falconeer]

IMHO because so many folk went to the "flavour of the month" or "the "latest greatest thing" viz Sub Ohm Vaping using lots of power to produce lots of clouds but of necessity using low nic liquid ( and lots of it.)

I'm in the Uk and deal direct with the E liquid manufacturers and am lucky to be able to get the 16 strength E liquid I started with a good few years ago and don't wish to change from.

You might want to mix your own...

 

[Resistance]

Number 1 reason. Profits...
Doesn't matter how you look at it I heard that straight from a manufacturer. It's cheaper to use high nic salts than high nic freebase,but there's still a few out there that manufacture high nic freebase juice. You just need to look a bit further.

 

[DPLongo22]

24mg was my first purchase too. I'm still vaping 15-18mg regularly, sometimes obtained by adding some 100mg into whatever I purchased from a vendor.

I got tired of waiting for them to come back around.

 

[Flt Simulation]

Thanks everyone for all your input to my question.

Well, I am just going to rely on my homemade juice and not buy any expensive pre-made crap again.

Nice thing about DIY juice is that it's cheap to make and you can make it any nic strength you want.

 

[Resistance]

Thanks everyone for all your input to my question.

Well, I am just going to rely on my homemade juice and not buy any expensive pre-made crap again.

Nice thing about DIY juice is that it's cheap to make and you can make it any nic strength you want.

I've been told that using 100mg/ml is the better option for high nic mixing but I don't do flavour anymore so 36mg/ml work just fine for me. I just have to use a bit more of the 36mg/ml to get to my desired strength

 

[Territoo]

One reason you only find the higher nic concentrations in nic salts is that many people find freebase nic gives a rather harsh throat hit, especially at higher concentrations. Nic salts don't have that.

 

[AvaOrchid]

When I started vaping about 9 years ago, you could buy ready-made freebase e-juice in 24mg nic, 18mg nic, 15mg nic strength and so-on. In fact, initially, I started vaping 24mg nicotine tobacco flavored juice in order to give up those Marlboro cigarettes.

Now it seems like about the strongest avail ready-made freebase juice is only about 6mg nic. Why have they lowered the nicotine strength so much on store bought freebase juice?

On the other hand, they sell ready made salt juice with as high as 50mg nic.

None of this makes any sense to me.

I have to imagine that a lot of it does have to do with the devices that people are using primarily having changed. When I started vaping I had like a little ego AIO jammy and I believe I started at 12 mg which was fine for me. I relatively quickly went down to 9 mg. Then I purchased my first like real mod. I got the Vaporesso polar I think it was which came with a true sub ohm tank. And out of my excitement I hurried up and set up the coil and primed it like I was supposed to let it sit for like 5 minutes just in case and started off at a low wattage and within like an hour I was feeling very ill. And it was because I was vaping my sub ohm large capacity coil the same way as I was using my ego AIO which was also sub ohm but not very sub I think it was like a 0.8 coil or something like that and it was one of those older style coils. I don't know what the wattage was because it didn't give you the wattage but it wasn't very high I'm sure. Anyhow I got nicotine sickness for the first and one of the only times. So I imagine that might be why. When I went down to 3 mg juice that became tolerable again.

 

[tj99959]

Pretty simple really. Vendors make money selling juice, and coils. Everything else just takes up space.
MTL vaper will use 3-4ml of 24-12mg juice/day, and a DL vaper will use 15-20ml of 6-3mg juice/day.
So which do ya think a vender is going to try to sell you?!? Only reason they open the door in the morning is to make money.

 

[GeorgeS]

Simply because for the most part the 'vaping market' has been split into TWO distinct 'camps':

the low volume (IE: toodle puffing) high nicotine
the high volume (IE:weather pattern creating) low nicotine

those that enter modern vaping shops looking to replicate smoking with vaping gear are steered towards low output devices with high % nicotine (salts) juice

those that are looking to 'blow clouds' are steered towards high output devices/setups coupled with very low % freebase nicotine juices

due to the very high volume of vapor that some devices/setups can produce using them with even 'freebase' based juices might expose the user to unhealthy amounts of nicotine.

Since 'salts' based nicotine can/could be absorbed at a much higher rate than 'freebase' nicotine it is generally not recommended to be used with high output devices/setups.



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[GeorgeS]

Thanks everyone for all your input to my question.

Well, I am just going to rely on my homemade juice and not buy any expensive pre-made crap again.

Nice thing about DIY juice is that it's cheap to make and you can make it any nic strength you want.

IMHO: There really is no reason to purchase pre-made juice unless someone is unable to get the supplies to make their own juice's.

Forgetting for the moment that you have NO IDEA what exactly is IN store bought juice on the other hand you know exactly what goes into DIY juice as well as it is DIRT CHEAP/INEXPENSIVE to make. (I can make Gallons of DIY for the price of 60ML of store bought juice!)



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[Coyote628]

Mostly because the FDA paperwork involved in getting each nicotine strength juice approved, which costs money to do. The more options for nic levels, the more paperwork that has to be approved. Its cheaper in the long run for the manufacturer to have less nicotine level options.

 

[AvaOrchid]

Mostly because the FDA paperwork involved in getting each nicotine strength juice approved, which costs money to do. The more options for nic levels, the more paperwork that has to be approved. Its cheaper in the long run for the manufacturer to have less nicotine level options.

I don't think they've approved a single solitary e-juice though so I'm not real sure about that. Maybe that was what happened in the beginning though before the actual process when people were still holding out hope that it would be any level of actual information seeking rather than just a big fat waste of money

 

[bombastinator]

It’s the most expemsive bit.