Why is the FDA doing this?
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Culture war. The anti-smoking movement has a LOT of political power. Money? Doubtful. The FDA doesn't stand to make any money from e-smoking.
Sure they can. They can tax and do anything that they want to.
I still think it's money. Look at it this way:
The current US White House is the Big Pharma administration. Look at how much power they gave the FDA with the tobacco bill. Look at the health industry reform they're putting together. The health bill does nothing to touch one of the biggest problems in the health industry - the pharmaceutical giants. American's are addicted to alot of drugs and it is big money for Pharma.
The FDA approves drugs with known problem and is slow to recall them or even waits until patents run out (after big profits have been made) to pull them from market. Big Pharma is at odds with tobacco companies - currently they make money off the tobacco exodus. This is a "culture" war they've cultivated for years; one they devised to capitalize off of. Demonize tobacco and sell the solution to all the people society has forced to quit.
The only culture war here has money (BIG money) at it's roots. The FDA doesn't make money from e-smoking but e-smoking can potentially take away from the profits of the Pharma companies. If people feel like they don't need to quit, Pharma loses on their investment. The little (growing) e-cig industry severely threatens the bigger picture. Remember, this administration is the Pharma administration - there'd be no health bill if it wasn't. The FDA knows what master it has to please to make sure it's got a good seat at the feast table...
Yeah - it's about money.
Corporate America runs this country/Gov't...has for a while now. It doesn't matter who the president is or what party he/she sides with, they all take their orders from the powers that be...and we, the people, have no say over who those powers are and/or what their agendas are.
Call me a conspiracy theorist if you want. I'd rather wear a tin hat and think for myself then sit here with my thumb up my .... and listen to all their BS.
Call me a conspiracy theorist if you want. I'd rather wear a tin hat and think for myself then sit here with my thumb up my .... and listen to all their BS.
I truly think they are more concerned about protecting us as people and are whole-heartedly trying to help all of us lead safe productive lives. Which will in turn allow us to help othe...................
Oh **** wrong thread,, sorry
Oh **** wrong thread,, sorry
Bahaha! ZOMG happily, you always make me laugh. I hope you're in your thirties to fifties because you are waaaay to cynical to be in your twenties! ;-)
36 but I don't think I've gotten any more cynical. I consider it brutally realistic.
The current White House? Please. Every White House and Congress has been dominated by health insurance and pharmaceutical money for decades. If anything this administration is less friendly to big health care money, given the kinds of regulatory provisions included in the various versions of the pending health care legislation. The last administration was too cowed by the insurance and pharma companies to even attempt health care reform.
There's no doubt that there's money behind the anti-smoking culture war now, but it was a grass roots movement at its core. It's only in recent years that it's transformed into a jihad against anything and everything even remotely related to smoking.
Maybe, maybe not. Right now the big pharmas are making all their money on **** pills.
Not in its current form it doesn't. For one thing, e-smoking is a miniscule market of enthusiasts. The devices are nowhere near ready for prime time. It could be years, even without FDA intervention, before we see an e-cigarette that Joe Public would consider buying. Unless and until such a device were developed, e-smoking represents very little risk to traditional smoking. The reason the reaction to it is so rabid is because it's perceived as weak (bunches of tiny internet businesses selling the hardware, no serious domestic manufacturing and a practically non-existent compared to traditional smoking userbase.)
I disagree. If this administration was so pro-pharma, they wouldn't be ruffling feathers there by pressing for reform. Just look at how many hundreds of millions of dollars are being spent by pharmaceutical and insurance companies on lobbying against it.
I think it's more about dogmatic doctors and administrators who want to squash PVs because they "send the wrong message" to a population they're trying to indoctrinate against cigarettes. If PVs become common, they lose the anti-smoking culture war. If e-cigarettes were never made to look like analogues, the FDA probably wouldn't have given a crap about them.
I'm not convinced.
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No problem.Honestly, it was nice to hear your counter-points. It's refreshing having an intelligent debate. I'm not fully convinced of my own points and yours give me more to think about.
Honestly, it was nice to hear your counter-points. It's refreshing having an intelligent debate. I'm not fully convinced of my own points and yours give me more to think about.
Oh, believe me. I'm just as skeptical about my own position. Ultimately none of us really know what the core agenda is here. You have about as good a chance of being right as I do.
Well, idk. You might have a better chance 'cause you've got a totally hip Spike Spiegel avatar.
It's really sad that the government is so corrupt that we think that it's because of the money issue. I agree that is why they are doing it, but it is sad to think that the governments actions over the years have caused this country to be about the almighty dollar.
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Does the "why" really matter? If all the money-trail and conspiracy talk is accurate, we have no control anyway. Better to just think the best and try to work within the system to get what we want.
Unless someone here has a couple billion stashed away to start their own lobbying firm?
Unless someone here has a couple billion stashed away to start their own lobbying firm?
Does anyone really think the FDA wanted this in their sandbox?? You don't think they had enough to do already?
This isn't the FDA. Congress did this. Federal agencies don't do much that isn't "dictated" or "implied". The F.D.A. is just a bunch of people with a J.O.B. They do what they are told to do.
The FDA got it dumped in their lap and they have to deal with it. They have to deal with the "tobacco bill". The bill that congress passed and sent to them..
If I was going up against big tobacco, I would have to address all the little arguements first. They have to dot every "i" and cross every "t". We are just another i or t. They don't care about ecigs, beyond the pressure from the tobacco lobby. So pressure you representatives.
This isn't the FDA. Congress did this. Federal agencies don't do much that isn't "dictated" or "implied". The F.D.A. is just a bunch of people with a J.O.B. They do what they are told to do.
The FDA got it dumped in their lap and they have to deal with it. They have to deal with the "tobacco bill". The bill that congress passed and sent to them..
If I was going up against big tobacco, I would have to address all the little arguements first. They have to dot every "i" and cross every "t". We are just another i or t. They don't care about ecigs, beyond the pressure from the tobacco lobby. So pressure you representatives.
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