The funny thing is that "rose container" isn't a crack vile. The glass tube that holds the rose is a crack pipe. So cancer sticks behind the counter, beer in the cooller and crack pipes on the counter. Gotta Love the US.
Straw man arugment as to why the FDA hasnt shutdown SmokingEverywhere
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The funny thing is that "rose container" isn't a crack vile. The glass tube that holds the rose is a crack pipe. So cancer sticks behind the counter, beer in the cooller and crack pipes on the counter. Gotta Love the US.
Exactly...what is so hard to understand here!? To the fda(not capitalized on purpose), everything is unsafe until they say it is. When the mfgs prove it, then they'll do the deal, right after they figure out how to get the government it's cut of the MONEY. If the mfgs don't want to prove it is safe, then they will lose. Unfortunately for us that means WE lose too.
None of this is rocket science. It wasn't yesterday and it won't be tomorrow. This is more like bottle rocket science
And according to the FDA spokeswoman we spoke to just today, SPOONS are regulated by the FDA and are considered drug delivery devices. Yes, we did ask another FDA person on a separate call to send us documentation on this.
As soon as it is received, I will most definitely post it.
And according to the FDA spokeswoman we spoke to just today, SPOONS are regulated by the FDA and are considered drug delivery devices. Yes, we did ask another FDA person on a separate call to send us documentation on this.
As soon as it is received, I will most definitely post it.
OMG!!!!!!!!!! Don't they have better things to do with their time and OUR money?????
Spoons huh...this could get REAL interesting. I wonder if Mikasa has done safety testing on every new spoon they have released? I wonder if I am commiting a crime if I eat pudding or cereal with a DRUG DELIVERY DEVICE???? That is the most insane thing I have heard in a long time, I wonder if they will actually have the balls to send that kind of documentation. Ya know sometimes I just wanna cuss...oh well fark it.
I am sure the US gov't would have a system where you can request public-domain information if they don't send it. I am sure FDA's DDD (drug delivery device) list would be considered public-domain. That's a hilarious find, Lacey!
he he. Gotto love the spork!
But this does bring up a very very interesting slippery slope thought. This does make a coffee cup a drug delivery device and we all know once nicotine prohibition begins, it is just a matter of time before caffeine is on the chopping block.
Whether we want to believe it or not, this IS our time to fight. Seriously. I mean, how much control can one government agency really have and still be considered effective? How many people were affected by the FDA oversight of salmonella? I know our household was. Our poor daughter suffered. She was only 4 at the time. Had I not been in the shower one morning, I would have never known that the peanut butter I was feeding her was what was making her sick!
I can't stress enough to everyone the importance of reading the Waxman bill. Understanding that they are planning on voting by the end of May and that we must make our voices heard.
It will be an unfortunate day for many who had no clue this was happening when they roll into their AM/PM to purchase their snuff, dissolvables, ecigs, what have you and are told that their only option is a cigarette! It is already ridiculous that you can't purchase the gum or the patches at the gas station. And from what I have learned in a very interesting conversation with Tobacco Free Kids, the only nicotine products that should be available to the public are those proven for quitting. It won't be long before even your tobacco cigs don't have nicotine in them.
This isn't about just the ecig. This is about setting Tobacco Harm Reduction back 2 entire years. Forcing grown adults to choose smoking cigarettes, going pharmaceutical or completely quitting. Screw the ecig! Save your freedom to choose!
Yes, it is. The question is how?
Aside: I see that we're up to over 8000 members with over 4000 active. That's huge month-on-month growth and has to be counted as good news. I'm gonna get stage fright posting here if we get much larger.
How? Be loud. If you support ACS, ALA, TFK any organization coming out against the ecig, stop supporting them. Tell them not one more dime in donations.
Contact your Senators. Call them. Fax them. In most cases, they haven't even read the bill. Make sure that they at least KNOW you are on to this complete abuse of the legislative system by Philip Morris... and yes... this is exactly what is happening here.
Have faith in what is going on that even though some members up here want to piss all over the suppliers, there are lobbyists fighting for us now. There are lawyers. Some of us suppliers ARE throwing our money and hard earned profit at the problem. Some of us AREN'T taking the money and running... which would be quite easy to do, but is wrong on a multitude of levels, most importantly what is happening to our freedom of choice.
Stop hoarding. Turn every smoker you know onto the ecig and tell them about the bill!
STOP BUYING ANYTHING FROM PHILIP MORRIS! And if you really want to not support them, stop buying anything owned by Altria and this includes your Kraft Mac and Cheese... US Smokeless included. There are plenty of other tobacco companies that do not support this bill and are fighting against it already. Give THEM your money if you still use tobacco products.
Most importantly, tell those who are pissing all over people like Bill Godshall to find a new forum. If they aren't for the saving of their freedoms, they should slink back into their wells where they belong.
Lacey - I just want to say I've not seen you with such a fire in your posts....It's very refreshing to hear such passion......you've got my support 100%
I've written to my reps, to SmokeFree Wisconsin, to my local paper, and to the papers in Milwaukee and Madison.....
Anyone who wishes it can use my Letter to the Editor - tweaked to fit your own life story - in my blog, here...
I've written to my reps, to SmokeFree Wisconsin, to my local paper, and to the papers in Milwaukee and Madison.....
Anyone who wishes it can use my Letter to the Editor - tweaked to fit your own life story - in my blog, here...
Why thank you... I have done some serious reflection/research over the past week and well... we all have to do what we can, no matter how small it might seem.
That little petition that Krakken started got some serious traction and is now being emailed about by Bill Godshall, gaining names every day.
AND... a few other things to spread the word about... our very own igetcha has offered to compile 10 second postings from each of us, on how the ecig changed our life... as soon as he gives me an update on where to send those clips, I will post it on my blog, the Instead Forum here at ECF, and at RTV so people can send those in. That could be VERY viral and wow... I already have a load of people to send that to.
Also... at RTV we are discussing a Vape-In, what have you. Where we could get together in little groups, nationwide... even internationally... all wearing the same t's... having a picnic... and vapeing/eSmoking. A peaceful little gathering where people could come up to us and ask us what we are doing and we can all show them our gadgets and educate them on our stories. Let the media know, all of that good stuff. Plus we could actually get to meet each other! Assistance from RTV If you are interested in hosting in your town/nearest major city, please feel free to make yourself known. Minimum goal would be 10 locations in the US... but more would be freaking awesome. No date set yet... need hosts! Cost for participants is gas, time, energy and a way cool t-shirt AND if you design... have a go at a t-shirt design!
There is really a ton that we can do to get the word out. That we are here and that we aren't going anywhere. Wow... maybe I need to start a new thread. Sorry BG - I think I bogarted your thread! Anywhoo...
Back to the topic at hand and that is why the FDA hasn't shut down SE?
And just to get the thread back on track for BG...
Did I note that I received a call the other day from an SE vendor who was told by SE that they would not be able to supply them for at least two weeks as their stuff was stopped? She was on the hunt for another supplier to stock her booths.
I felt really bad for the woman as she has three kiosks in three separate locations... I wasn't shocked that we had an hour long conversation and it was news to her that you could not sell these to help you quit smoking. I had to go as far as to explain to her why it can't be sold as a quit smoking device, what health claims are and why you shouldn't make them. (this is not to say that all SE vendors do not know about this but this one had no idea). Poor thing.
Did I note that I received a call the other day from an SE vendor who was told by SE that they would not be able to supply them for at least two weeks as their stuff was stopped? She was on the hunt for another supplier to stock her booths.
I felt really bad for the woman as she has three kiosks in three separate locations... I wasn't shocked that we had an hour long conversation and it was news to her that you could not sell these to help you quit smoking. I had to go as far as to explain to her why it can't be sold as a quit smoking device, what health claims are and why you shouldn't make them. (this is not to say that all SE vendors do not know about this but this one had no idea). Poor thing.
Another one, keep in mind I made these for my own use 
I've no idea what anyone else would want on a t-shirt.
I've no idea what anyone else would want on a t-shirt.I think a meeting in Las Vegas could be good. OK, I really don't need a reason to go to Vegas, but I hear they are selling the hell out of e-cigs there since the smoking in bars ban. Plus if we had a HUGE get together there it could really piss off Harry Reid, and that woud just be sweet. ;o)
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For this cause, the 'vapers uniting' would fit quite well wouldn't it? (looking nice V-V )
I would also suggest, if we are trying to do this internationaly, to keep letters/words seperate from picture or logo - seems easier to adjust to other languages then?
)I would also suggest, if we are trying to do this internationaly, to keep letters/words seperate from picture or logo - seems easier to adjust to other languages then?
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