Looks more like an original Bulli clone. Adding a ceramic cup, which China atomizers have used since day one, does not make it a carto or really alter the basic Bulli design.
Why no Repairable Cartos (yet)?
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the $2 mark is at the high end of the spectrum, there are places that sell the same for half.
If spending $2-4 a week on cartos is difficult for you, then i don't know what to say.
If you buy a repairable anything, it goes for $50 at the lowest...
Personally, i get over a week on a single carto, spending $2 for that carto + niquid is still cheaper than my $70/week smoking habit. So yes, toss the damn $2 carto!
But. we are doing this for the health benefits not the $$$$..... RIGHT?
If spending $2-4 a week on cartos is difficult for you, then i don't know what to say.
If you buy a repairable anything, it goes for $50 at the lowest...
Personally, i get over a week on a single carto, spending $2 for that carto + niquid is still cheaper than my $70/week smoking habit. So yes, toss the damn $2 carto!
But. we are doing this for the health benefits not the $$$$..... RIGHT?
Nope, I could no longer afford ~$14/day for smokes which was often more than I spent on meals. That's what motivated me to switch.
Still don't know what you're getting at.. you act like their is a problem with rebuilding "disposable" cartomizers. I rebuild CE2 and haven't spent a dime on anything atomizer/cartomizer related in a year, and won't be buying anything until I run through 100ft of kanthal.
I've been through the CE2 rebuilding phase, and still use it on occasion... And I enjoyed it for a while(when used in my MAP tank). and think those are a good option for a repairable.
Which was my initial suggestion in post #3!
This topic turned into referring to cartos with poly-fill(or whatever its called), and I don't think those are worth the trouble of repairing because there is more to replace than just the coil and wick.
Also, why would you bother with spending that time, repairing something that wont give you the cleanest flavour. That filler stuff can get really nasty after a while, even if you take it apart and clean it out, there are singe marks on the filler near the coil and all that takes away from the flavour, leaving you with a burnt taste.
I'm just voicing my opinion, no need to get all defensive
Which was my initial suggestion in post #3!
This topic turned into referring to cartos with poly-fill(or whatever its called), and I don't think those are worth the trouble of repairing because there is more to replace than just the coil and wick.
Also, why would you bother with spending that time, repairing something that wont give you the cleanest flavour. That filler stuff can get really nasty after a while, even if you take it apart and clean it out, there are singe marks on the filler near the coil and all that takes away from the flavour, leaving you with a burnt taste.
I'm just voicing my opinion, no need to get all defensive
why find a rebuildable carto?
because the op ask for one....how is it any different to ppl rebuilding attys
also what would be peoples definintion of a carto? i always assumed it had filler material the dripped down onto a wick and coil, a cartridge and atty combined so essentially the bulli was a kinda of carto and doesnt include a ce2
because the op ask for one....how is it any different to ppl rebuilding attys
also what would be peoples definintion of a carto? i always assumed it had filler material the dripped down onto a wick and coil, a cartridge and atty combined so essentially the bulli was a kinda of carto and doesnt include a ce2
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Rebuildable carto is something similar to oilfree gasoline. Doable yes, but will never happen.
For more practical reasons...cartos are made to be used and then throw away.
When you change flavor u need to change the polyfill, since the flavor stays in poly. So a lot of work when you could simply fill a new carto.
With the Bogegate the idea of repairable carto has come into mind, but there are some many repairables on the market that the time and effort spend fiddling simply does not add up.
For more practical reasons...cartos are made to be used and then throw away.
When you change flavor u need to change the polyfill, since the flavor stays in poly. So a lot of work when you could simply fill a new carto.
With the Bogegate the idea of repairable carto has come into mind, but there are some many repairables on the market that the time and effort spend fiddling simply does not add up.
I've been through the CE2 rebuilding phase, and still use it on occasion... And I enjoyed it for a while(when used in my MAP tank). and think those are a good option for a repairable.
Which was my initial suggestion in post #3!
This topic turned into referring to cartos with poly-fill(or whatever its called), and I don't think those are worth the trouble of repairing because there is more to replace than just the coil and wick.
Also, why would you bother with spending that time, repairing something that wont give you the cleanest flavour. That filler stuff can get really nasty after a while, even if you take it apart and clean it out, there are singe marks on the filler near the coil and all that takes away from the flavour, leaving you with a burnt taste.
I'm just voicing my opinion, no need to get all defensive
Wasn't getting defensive, just didn't understand what you meant and wanted you to know where I was coming from
But I totally agree in regards to the filler carto's, never understood how people liked them when the filler and diaper material burns.
I'm quite interested in a rebuildable carto. I'm waiting to hear back about some SS wool for one that I'm working on using old DCT cartos. I have a design in mind that would make the coil easy to clean periodically with no need to replace the filler, and depending on how the fluid transfer turns out, usable with a regular tank. It won't be a dual coil, but let me see if I can whip up a sketch...
I got the idea for this manner of a carto from a "Krave" disposable I tried once.
The coil is horizontal on the bottom. In this version, it would be wrapped around oxidized SS mesh. The filler is going to be fine SS Wool, cut into a strip and wrapped around a rolled SS Mesh wick-style tube. The mesh tube is actually in contact with the coil and the tip of the mesh is well oxidized.
In the half-way version I have right now, I'm using silica in place of the SS Wool (i mistakenly ordered regular Steel Wool
) In the Krave carto they used regular poly filler and a ceramic sleeve for the airway. The sleeve extends past the filler inside the carto and the end is snipped so that two flaps of the sleeve drape over the coil (no silica wick). I tried this with the SS wick tube, but found that it was always shorting the coil, so I came up with a good solution: pinch the tip of the tube, then (using a paper clip or toothpick, etc) fold the flattened sides inward on the tube one at a time, until the tube crescents into two points. Poke the paper clip through the tube to make sure the airflow isn't obstructed.I make the airflow assembly and insert it into the tube so that when I put the connector in, the tube pushes against the coil. Then it's just press fitting the connector and dripping some liquid. As I said, I'm using silica for the filler right now, which doesn't seem to have great retention so I can only hold 10-12 drops, but I'm hoping to fix that with decent SS Wool. Also, will be adding some manner of quick-release posts for the coil.
Oh yeah, I'm using the connector from a "Micromizer" from Gotvapes. It's basically a clearo with an LED. Everything I vaped out of that tasted awful. The tubes come from old DCT cartos because they're nice and long (and I have tons). The pre-punched hole doesn't really effect performance, except that I can tell a little early if I've overfilled. I'm using it right now with a 3.2 coil at 3.7v regulated. usually I need 1.7ohm cartos to be happy, but the output from this 3.2 is quite satisfying. Can't wait for my SS Wool!
As an alternative to SS wool, you might be interested in using #200 SS mesh for a clean carto filler. This was suggested by raidy long ago, and you would have a uniform arrangement where the wool may be denser in spots. Just an idea. Since you are using mesh for the wick anyway, you might want to go ahead and make a full fledged mini genisis that fits in a carto's body if it needs to be that small. I did this for using with ego batts and cones. I take two of these with me for flying and one ends up lasting for that very long day as there isn't all that much opportunity for heavier vaping.
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I may try this, and the SS Fibers that Supervape suggested, down the road, but for now I'm gonna stick with the wool. I got some lustersheen pads on the way, I don't expect they'll be too hard to work with.
Also, i really want this to be a carto, not a genesis-type atty. with the setup that I'm stealing from the Krave carto (does anyone know of other cartos that are set up the way shown in the pic?), you can wiggle the case off and brush clean the coil so easily it's ......ed.
I have a Scuba 3 that I recently bought and use, but the condensation build up in the coil chamber bugs me. I imagine that's going to be a recurring theme with Genesis style rebuildables. With a carto type design, the condensation recycles into the filler, so that's not much of an issue.
Also, for reasons that aren't really reasonable, I just want a carto.
I have a Scuba 3 that I recently bought and use, but the condensation build up in the coil chamber bugs me. I imagine that's going to be a recurring theme with Genesis style rebuildables. With a carto type design, the condensation recycles into the filler, so that's not much of an issue.
Also, for reasons that aren't really reasonable, I just want a carto.
Uh, it's basically this again.
I really don't see how drawing the vapor through one center hole, compared to Bulli's two on the sides really changes much of anything or now makes it a 'carto'. (??)
I don't think your wick design of the SS vertical wick will transfer adequate amount of juice to the horizontal wick. In this pic you will see different wicks I tried over the years on cart with SS wool filler. The V shape coil/wick on the bottom right turned out to be the best for me.
This next pic is another that worked well.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/atomizer-mods/232081-just-stainless-steel-wick-filler.html
This next pic is another that worked well.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/atomizer-mods/232081-just-stainless-steel-wick-filler.html
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