Why pay well over $100 for a mech when a clone of it is a fraction of the price?

[Larzis]

Yeah the argument of "I buy counterfeits because high end mods are too hard to get!" is, well, not valid. Like Thrasher said above, there is so much on the market now and not nearly as hard to get as people make them to be.

Chi You could be pre ordered from several places, and as I recall KoreaVape had a preorder open for like 2 days.

Kayfuns can be found near weekly.

F3cta and Versa can be had now.

Few others I am probably forgetting. Point is, plenty of nice things out there.

 

[Valhalla17]

Yeah, I didn't have the money for high end mods either, til I quit smoking cigarettes, and well til I quit buying clones hoping one would be better than the previous, and decided quality over quanity. Then, oh yeah, I have the money for a high end mod. "Why pay well over $100 for a mech when a clone of it is a fraction of the price?" is like saying: "Why buy steak when I can just fill up on spam?" lol

 

[Jaseruckus]

Yeah, I didn't have the money for high end mods either, til I quit smoking cigarettes, and well til I quit buying clones hoping one would be better than the previous, and decided quality over quanity. Then, oh yeah, I have the money for a high end mod. "Why pay well over $100 for a mech when a clone of it is a fraction of the price?" is like saying: "Why buy steak when I can just fill up on spam?" lol

Hey. I love spam. Spam, eggs, and rice is the grind. Bra

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[Valhalla17]

Hahahaha, but how much better is steak and eggs

 

[anavidfan]

anavid fan, which ones in your experience dont have much of a difference?

dr g, don't what to tell ya, stacked batteries on a vamo make it a high amp device. if im wrong about the specs, oh well, still a much much better vape for me than a single cell and im happy with it. cant wait to get my ss vamo now!

but the real anticipation is for the sentinel clone v3. i have heard great things about the original, can't wait to see how it is! the kts and k100 performance seems to be well documented so i know im getting a quality product in those, i hope

I only have 2 devices, I have a Saber TOuch kicked edition and a Super-T ELA. THey both get the job done. My juices taste just as good, and with my humble set ups, they vape just as well.

WIth the ELA, I did have to lower my wattage as it felt a bit stronger, I felt that the nic hit harder. I dont do sub-ohm set ups, usually around 1.5 - 2.0 at 7-8 watts. I would recommend either set up. ELA has some great features that the Saber does not. NOw are those features worth the price difference?

 

[cdf294]

I don't think that it is quite that simple, for me anyway. I will explain further in a moment.
When I was younger, most purchases I made were within my financial means. Sure, I coveted the nice stuff, but as a responsible young adult, most of the time, I knew that I only had XX amount of funds to work with and purchased the best product I could for the money.

As I have gotten older, I find that my finances allow me to buy nicer gear if I choose to do so. Is there a difference? Well yes, sort of. For example, my wife has an SVD and loves it. It does a good job with minimal fuss. I have a Atmizoo Roller and it also does a good job with minimal fuss. I realize that one is vv/vw and 1 is not, but they are both telescopes so stay with me.
Does the Roller represent 3-4x better value for the money paid? Clearly, it appears not to. However, when it comes time to replace the battery in her SVD with a different size, all of a sudden I start to notice where the extra money is going. I also must wonder what will become of all the plastic on the SVD.
I have scratches/cuts on my hands due to the rough/sharp machining of the flutes on the SVD. I throw a battery in the Roller and go where in the SVD, I have to keep making adjustments on hers since the threads are so coarse and poorly machined that you can't tell if you are bottomed against the battery or not. She wanted the SVD so that's what she got. Would that annoy me? Absolutely. Does it bother her? Not so much, but then she has me change the batteries. So, what does it all boil down to? She will be getting a Provari if I am in charge of her battery changes.
Machining and finishing is where most of the extra money goes... exclusivity is another. Maybe worth paying for, maybe not. Sure, you can work with a product with glued switches, bad machining and threads, voltage drop issues, etc.. Is it worth more to get clean machining and threads? As a mechanic, to me it is. I couldn't imagine trying to do my job working on cars all day with threads that feel as if they were cross threaded or full of dirt.
It all boils down to what is important to you- value or perceived quality. Notice, I say "perceived" because I am in no way saying that you always get what you pay for.

For me, it is worth the extra money. For my wife, it isn't.
Wasn't this totally helpful?

 

[stoopid]

Get off of your soapboxes. You are so American. We should hate the Chinese and their communist ways because... why? In China it means mad respect to make a perfect copy. Why? Because it takes balls... and time, and time is the most precious thing of all. I should hate the commies because we, the perfect specimens of human existence "Americans" are in debt to them financially... lololol. Most Chinese will treat me better than any american. Long live knockoffs, because everything is a knockoff. nuffsaid

 

[rvh414]

I own a few high end mods and truly enjoy them. I've held a few so called knockoffs and I can honestly say some appear stunning but for the most part thats where it ends. Most high ends manufactures take their time and use good quality parts. I will always prefer high end mods. I understand that everyone's financial situation is different and I'm not one who happens to be Rollin in the dough. If it means I have to save up...well then I guess I'll have to save to get what I truly want.

 

[djslik]

Hahahaha, but how much better is steak and eggs

Not better than spam, eggs, and garlic fried rice to a Filipino. Spamsilog for the win haha.

 

[minimalsaint]

Funny thread about the $200+ Fecta:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/apv-discussion/463305-ihybrid-fecta-problems-please-help.html

I just picked up a $20 sigelei 18350 "ba gua" and I took it out of the box, dropped in a battery, attached an IGO-L and have been vaping happily ever since. Huh.

 

[Larzis]

Funny thread about the $200+ Fecta:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/apv-discussion/463305-ihybrid-fecta-problems-please-help.html

I just picked up a $20 sigelei 18350 "ba gua" and I took it out of the box, dropped in a battery, attached an IGO-L and have been vaping happily ever since. Huh.

That thread is full of all kinds of crazy if you ask me. Drilled the airhole right out of the box, changed the positive battery connection because it did not make contact with battery, flooding issues.... Does not sound like the mod to me.

 

[High Voltage]

I'm relatively new to vaping, but not to the world of Chinese knock-offs. I collect (and use) high end and custom pocket knives. There are tons of counterfeits and "clones" on the market. I wouldn't buy copy of a high quality, US made or custom handmade folding knife, even if they both "cut stuff". Just as I wouldn't buy a knock off time piece even if it kept time. Why? Because the originals are better, and every fake that's sold is essentially turning a profit on someone else's hard work/design/reputation. I'd much rather support the originator of a product, rather than someone who's ripping it off.

Right now I'm enjoying my P+16, it works very well, the machining is excellent, fit and finish are spot on, and it is obviously well built. I know if I ever have an issue with it, I can get it fixed. I basically got it as a gift, but would gladly spend the money to buy another if I feel the need. If I can support a local, or small business vs mass produced disposable stuff, I will, everytime. I do with clothing, shoes and boots, flashlights, knives, and firearms....and now APV's

 

[Cloud_King]

I dont understand why everyone is making it THEIR problem that people are buying clones. What does it matter what other people have if youre satisfied with what you have? I would understand if the creators were complaining (and some do), but we, the consumers, are unaffected by some people buying clones. Im sure people can argue "then the creator wont make anything anymore!!!" Well thats the creators issue. I believe there will always be demand for originals so why this is such a common topic I dont know.

Just my 2c. It got a bit to the point where im rambling so im out. Forgive me if I said anything ridiculously outlandish!

 

[Vedra]

I have a k100. Awesome device.
I also have a v2 clone. Not great, I'm thinking of buying a legit one.

 

[articus]

HaHa, like some said before:
"I felt like I am on fake Rolex website"

 

[Bad Ninja]

If 'walmart' is in your budget than stick with them. Personally I prefer the finer things in life, Saks Fifth, Nordstroms, Michael Kors etc. You could argue that the $5 dollar shirt at walmart functions in the same way as the $200 shirt at the designer retailers. May even come across those that can't tell the difference. Well I'm not one of those people....

Imagine proposing the same question to your wife or girlfriend on say a purse. I know if I tried to convince my wife to buy a knock-off purse I'd be sleeping in the shed for years. There is no way that anyone can convince me the knock-off is of the same quality as the authentic.

In the end though stick with whatever works for you in keeping you away from tobacco.

That's one of the worst analogies I have ever read.


Affliction t shirts were never worth $150
There are no bluejeans costing $200 that are any better quality than $35 Levi's

A Camry is a more reliable car than a Mercedes

You can pay more just to show others " ya, I can afford it."
But let's not kid ourselves here.

We are talking about a threaded metal tube and a button.

The value has to be in aesthetics alone, and I have yet to see one that justifies a $200 admission price

If you wanna fatten a vendors pockets by paying many times what a product is worth just because it makes you feel special, by all means do so.

But unless someone can show me some tangible reason for the 10x price difference, I'll pass.


By the way, weren't w cigs developed in china? So US companies copied a china design, and people on here are supporting them?

Interesting community here.

 

[gokusnimbus]

may be i should start manufacturing clones too and rack up all that cash. i'll copy every damn mod and be rich.

 

[fishercat]

I have nothing against people who buy clones, but I really prefer the high end mods. But for me, it has nothing to do with being a status symbol. Nobody that I interact with vape or know anything about it. So, I'm definitely not impressing my friends or coworkers. I view these as works of art and so I pay the artists for their creations. Do they perform 10x better than the clones, probably not.

 

[Technonut]

By the way, weren't w cigs developed in china? So US companies copied a china design, and people on here are supporting them?

An American patented the first e-cig. (Filed in 1963)

Patent US3200819 - Smokeless non-tobacco cigarette - Google Patents

 

[Rule62]

I have nothing against people who buy clones, but I really prefer the high end mods. But for me, it has nothing to do with being a status symbol. Nobody that I interact with vape or know anything about it. So, I'm definitely not impressing my friends or coworkers. I view these as works of art and so I pay the artists for their creations. Do they perform 10x better than the clones, probably not.

I feel the same way. To each their own, I guess. I'll never buy one, but that's just me. I won't buy from flippers either. I prefer to support the original builders, or their authorized dealers. Most of the people I know, other than my local vape group, know anything about vaping. So, I'm certainly not out to impress anybody. I know what I'm vaping, and that's what matters, to me.