Why Vaping Might Fail... (Manufacturers, Distributors please note)

[ElProximo]

Amen! I'm 808 instead of 510, but I agree 100% with what he says!

A current problem, noob-consumer-wise, is that many companies don't want you to know that their house-branded super-end-all-and-be-all e-cig is really a 901 with an OEM paint job.

And many many e-cigarettes (kits, atomizers, batteries or nearly anything) do not come with any kind of reference to the make and model.
I have no doubt hundreds of people reading these topics have been looking at their e-cigs trying to find out whether they have a '901, 510, Ke888-C etc'.
It never said it on the package and they don't know how to find out and won't care to.

 

[knobbysmoo]

And I give another amen!

 

[OMG!]

Can't you buy a 510 to 808 converter?

Anyway, I upgrade my car every 8 years, I upgrade my phone every two years.... I really don't mind upgrading my PV when I find something that will make me happier.

I upgraded husbands once but that was a huge mistake.

 

[leannebug]

A current problem, noob-consumer-wise, is that many companies don't want you to know that their house-branded super-end-all-and-be-all e-cig is really a 901 with an OEM paint job.

THIS is oh so very true!! And probably where a lot of people get lost and perhaps a little more education on the subject is needed.
My biggest "a-ha!" moment came when I realized the blu and volcano attys- I had sitting in my drawer- were just glorified 306 attys (as a poster above said... And y'all might note: they are much cheaper too!)
All of those "hidden models" will eventually come out of the dark, as the public becomes more educated. All it takes is one Mega-giant, like a Walmart, to "generic" things, and then it becomes wide spread.

I DO like the idea of a 'generic' adapter. That would certainly make things a tad easier. They've already made chargers and PCCs that will charge any/all basic batteries. So the generic adapter shouldn't be too far off!



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[ElProximo]

Can't you buy a 510 to 808 converter?

There might be a market for that.

Anyway, I upgrade my car every 8 years, I upgrade my phone every two years.... I really don't mind upgrading my PV when I find something that will make me happier.

That is a bit of the dilemma. Sure, I could 'do my research' and start ordering different parts but then again I might just spend the time and money on the next level upgrade.
That upgrade is not backwards compatible with the previous ones. I guess if we all have money we can choose both options but I think the 'masses' won't go for it and feel 'burned' over the lack of 'legacy support'.

 

[leannebug]

@OMG: yes. They have 510 adapters. If you have a 510 batty and want to use an 808 carto: you want the 510>808. Batty is always listed first.

And many many e-cigarettes (kits, atomizers, batteries or nearly anything) do not come with any kind of reference to the make and model.
I have no doubt hundreds of people reading these topics have been looking at their e-cigs trying to find out whether they have a '901, 510, Ke888-C etc'.
It never said it on the package and they don't know how to find out and won't care to.

Actually... There is a pictorial that shows you. I would link you but I can't from this stupid iPod
Maybe someone else will..??




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[Religion]

Yep. We're the guinea pigs. I have loads of time for this now that I am not compulsively washing my body and my clothing, though. I hope the KR808D-1 becomes the worldwide standard to replace cigarettes and available at every Kwik-E Mart. Mods will be for connoisseurs like pipes or cigars are now. As much as I dislike the big brand overpriced e-cigs, their CEOs are smart for streamlining their marketing and creating brand recognition. Small business competition is great, but not at the expense of losing the entire market.

 

[leannebug]

@OMG: it should be noted; the adapter for the 510>808 also fits the 901 atty (since the 808 and the 901 threads are the same) so it's possible that it will be listed as the 510>808/901.

@ElP. That is the biggest problem that some of us have with these mall kiosks. They aren't out to help and educate the consumer. They have (often) inferior products, at inflated prices, and may not be there for support next week, if it malfunctions. So the only way to counteract that, is to be a voice in the community. Help when and where you can.
I carry ECF cards for just that purpose. In fact, just last week, I saw a couple at one of these kiosks in our mall. I stopped and chatted a bit and told them that there are *better* and *cheaper* alternatives and I gave them some business cards.
Big tobacco isn't helping. The FDA surely won't do a thing, so it's basically left to us. Do or die. Sink or swim.


(BTW: was it the ego you wanted to try?)

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[ElProximo]

Big tobacco isn't helping. The FDA surely won't do a thing, so it's basically left to us. Do or die. Sink or swim.

As much as people cringe at the idea of big companies taking monopolies on a product I think this is a case where the FDA (and in the other countries) should quickly allow full legality of e-Cigs.
Now, as much as we might hate the 'Microsoft' or the 'Walmarts' they are also what enforces (or causes) grand-scale standards, broad quality-control and lower the prices for the masses.

So I strongly agree it is definitely time to allow Vaping to find its own 'Big Vaping' companies of its own and really capture those mass markets.
Maybe one day soon I hope.

(BTW: was it the ego you wanted to try?)

I have several Joye Egos (regular or plain version only) and what I did was create my own 'standardized cross-compatible' world of e-cigs in my own home. I actually do order 'by the kit' which, in my scenario is always fool-proof and (usually) the best value overall.

*mind you, somehow I ended up with more 'mystery thread' atomizers even despite my own rules lol

 

[Valsacar]

Here, in Korea, they are legal and Janty/Joye pretty much has a monopoly (at some inflated prices I might add). I've seen quite a few clones and knockoffs as well, but they are all 510 and pretty much just rebranded rivas.

 

[brandon555]

Would it be easier if we only had one car we were able to purchase? Make parts easier to find.

Would it be better if there were only one cereal? No more pouring over labels to find something that "fits" your requirements.

Only one kind of clothing would be great! Nobody would be out of style or embarrassed about their outfit.

Only one operating system? No more compatibility problems.

Why stop at just PV's? How great would life be if everything was super simple?

Couldn't agree more.

Sounds like op's friend is a fuddy duddy.

 

[FantWriter]

You don't want a home computer because youre too stupid or lazy to do the research? How hard is it to order a boot floppy?

I was thinking of the days before you could order a boot floppy -- you had to know an OS designer/coder or meet them at a con or swap meet, and then the OS had to be for your specific chip set, and then you'd still have to tweak it to fit your build.

That's about the stage where we're at now -- you have to research, sort out the information which contradicts other information, etc.

It's nowhere near as complex as building a computer from scratch, but we're still far away from the "Apple" stage of development where you could, if you want, use a PV without any thought of what fits what or how to boil a carto.

 

[ElProximo]

I was thinking of the days before you could order a boot floppy -- you had to know an OS designer/coder or meet them at a con or swap meet, and then the OS had to be for your specific chip set, and then you'd still have to tweak it to fit your build.

That's about the stage where we're at now -- you have to research, sort out the information which contradicts other information, etc.

It's nowhere near as complex as building a computer from scratch, but we're still far away from the "Apple" stage of development where you could, if you want, use a PV without any thought of what fits what or how to boil a carto.

I actually had to laugh out loud at 'Boil a Carto' and it reminded me how a 19 year old just recently asked me what a floppy disk was (having seen one and being curious) and then wanted to know why it was called 'Floppy'. Then I explained the original ones were actually 'floppy' and bendable. Then we made newer 'solid' ones but the name stayed along with them. With 1.44 worth of memory.
"1.44 gigs?"
"no, like 2 MB"
.........................."so.. uh.. why would you bother then?"

So I hope you are right and in 10 years I'm telling a teenager 'Boil a Carto' was something we had to do back then and I will realize I am glad I never have to do it again hehe

 

[bLuNtz]

it's really a good thing that forums like these were created to share whats good and whats not. giving us new members a chance to know the tricks and make the best decisions

 

[mlinky]

Wow, and I thought the diet board I used to post at was snarky. Pretty understandable there, they were food deprived.

That cracked me up

 

[mlinky]

A vape gathering sounds like fun! I'd look a little funny too going in with my single ego too.

No you wouldn't. Everyone brings some juices to let folks try or trade...vape coma is possible Lots of people love their eGos. We even have one guy who still likes his Blu.

 

[leannebug]

As much as people cringe at the idea of big companies taking monopolies on a product I think this is a case where the FDA (and in the other countries) should quickly allow full legality of e-Cigs. Now, as much as we might hate the 'Microsoft' or the 'Walmarts' they are also what enforces (or causes) grand-scale standards, broad quality-control and lower the prices for the masses.

So I strongly agree it is definitely time to allow Vaping to find its own 'Big Vaping' companies of its own and really capture those mass markets.
Maybe one day soon I hope.

They actually are working towards that. I believe it was RJReynolds. I think it was tested in the Australian market..? Perhaps they will be showing up sometime soon. Maybe they are waiting till some of the hoopla w/the FDA to die down, before they release their product into the market. I'm sure they don't want another lawsuit or battle on their hands.

I have several Joye Egos (regular or plain version only) and what I did was create my own 'standardized cross-compatible' world of e-cigs in my own home. I actually do order 'by the kit' which, in my scenario is always fool-proof and (usually) the best value overall.

*mind you, somehow I ended up with more 'mystery thread' atomizers even despite my own rules lol

lol.. yea, maybe I bet you have a pile of chargers! You should consider visiting the PIF board. Then you can easily swap some of the parts you no longer need, for some of the parts you would like! Have you tried the ego carto? Or the ego tank? (I love the ego carto)

Here, in Korea, they are legal and Janty/Joye pretty much has a monopoly (at some inflated prices I might add). I've seen quite a few clones and knockoffs as well, but they are all 510 and pretty much just rebranded rivas.

That is the reason I believe in choices. If (by any chance) a monopoly did take over.. prices would skyrocket. Not only could we potentially be paying the dreaded T A X on our vaping supplies, but they could be higher in general. That's why I prefer having as many choices as possible. It keeps our costs down, even at the expense of losing a favorite along the way.

That cracked me up

Me too Mlinky
(and my blu serves a purpose! it's my car back-up unit! and I test my diy juices on the volcano attys)

 

[DC2]

Everyone is looking for the perfect vape.

Everyone is not looking for the perfect vape, but I often wonder what percentage of us are.

For example, I have been vaping for 22 months.
I started with a 510 but now have two Chucks, and one Bartleby.

Are they the perfect vape?
No, they are not.

The perfect vape would have to be a variable voltage mod like the ProVari.
And if I ever by anything else, it will be a variable voltage mod.

But I'm satisfied with what I have, and the key for me is to be satisfied.
Chasing perfection is not something that I want to deal with.

Not that there is anything wrong with wanting to do that.

 

[DC2]

Maybe we should have a mentoring program. Seriously.

I've been thinking about that for awhile, and wondering what would be the best way to implement it.
But then I keep thinking that really, that is what the New Members forum is anyway, one big mentoring program.

Still, there might be something to the idea...

 

[rolygate]

@DC2
Well, it's worth thinking about. Mentoring might be the key for some people to succeed vs giving up. I think that it would be possible to get 8 or 9 out of 10 people to switch, assuming they had some sort of commitment to doing so, provided they had help (meaning: good advice, and help with product choices).

The percentage of people who do succeed is lower than this, though - and for those who buy the well-marketed internet or mall products, it could be fairly low. One poll found 31% succeeded, I seem to remember, and that would have been among those with less than optimal products and no one to turn to for help.

There are differences between a mentoring program and the NM board. The NM forum does its job well but it will never be as good as one-on-one assistance, especially where that includes things like emails, skype, or even mailing some stuff to try out.

- A Mentor Program would require someone to co-ordinate it
- Volunteers would be experienced users, with a minimum of 6 months experience
- The mentors would agree to coach and advise one newcomer at a time in any/all aspects of product use
- Some personal contact would be needed, such as email at the very least
- Mentors need to be people who know about many different options in hardware and liquid
- They could be allocated to new enquirers by a central co-ordinator

Because it seems to me that it would make the difference between success and failure for some people, it's worth considering - but it needs a bunch of experienced people who will take on the job, and someone to co-ordinate it by being a central point of contact. I don't think it is something ECF should set up and run - but if there were people who wanted to do it / run it, we would certainly provide resources.