Why's everyone so in love with the Pen Style cart life???

[just4747]

Longer full cart life??? My aZzzzz.
What's the point of having bigger carts when after 2-5 puffs, no matter how topped-off (EXCEPT when you put a newly fresh pre-filled cart in for some reason), the thing gets the burning taste soo fast and needs to be dripped or severely topped off so that some liquid drips in the atomizer anyway (same as dripping)?!
I mean I pour that stuff in those carts trying to get results, and most of the attempts, the liquid seems to completely stop connecting with the atomizer as if it were empty very quickly
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I know there are threads on this but it makes no sense. The 901s seem fine in most cases, where at least the top half of the liquid gets used first before going dry. But this new 2-hole Classic Pen Style I have been using for 3 days now only lasts a little while with no maintenance WHEN you put a completely new pre-filled cart in.
If you are mid-cart and have to top-off, usually it's like it doesn't even get the liquid in there, but you know the atomizer bridge is touching the filler cause it reaches far enough down there (I think).

Some posts here boggle my mind. For instance I just came across this one:
"Carts normally last a couple hours of use"
WHAT???? What magic e-cigarette are you using? LoL. None of my devices are even close.

Any ideas?? I want this for a top-off-only device so it can last long without me having to do anything..hence the point of the bigger cartridges!!

 

[leaford]

Which is why I reccomend the Janty/Sedansa/Litecig type of penstyle over the generic RN4072 or DSE801 type penstyles. I never have that problem unless I get a bad cartridge.

 

[Strider]

leaford can you explain why the Janty/Sedansa/Litecig type work better then the generic RN4072 or DSE801 in the way they vape the cartridges..

 

[just4747]

Yeah, they are virtually the same size and design as far as it looks. I mean look at the LiteCig...same exact thing but shiny and not matte black. Sedansa and Janty have the same shape and size as well and cartridges are the same...there's nothing really that would make a difference in there.

 

[leaford]

I don't know exactly why, but they never seem to have that problem. They are a little different, although they look the same on the outside. The only visible difference are the 4 large, easily visible air holes. The cartridges are slightly different having ridges around the connector rim. And the atomizer wick is a little wider.

Janty and Litecig are Joye-302's, Sedansa I think is a SE-101. Jane's and ePuffer's are KR-108, which are similar.

 

[MagusSteele]

I am currently useing an RN-4072, but have had several DSE-801s to now.
My cart seems to last longer then my battery charge.
I do think they need to be cleaned more then most, including myself, clean them.
someone a long time ago posted to take a Pin and "Fluff" up the end of the stuffing before putting it back in, and it has really helped mine ever since i read that.
Another thing i think (nothing is forsure or a law with these) people get used to that Nice slow light draw, and these need a little suction to pull juice out of the carts. More so after its been used a few times, and the juice gets deeper.
Alot is the way i use mine, and just the way i learned how, i cant even explain, because as you know, there is the way to use these, then the way each of us use them.
50% of ALL my problems with smoke is in the batteries, not the cart. The batteries seem to drain faster then people would think, at least for me, i need to change them alot, and like i always say, i use mine constantly, not a puff here or there, i mean its always in my hand, and i hit when ever i think of it.

Eather way, I am still a Pen Guy.
Have a KS Classic comeing, but im sure it will be pretty much the same, maybe better, im hoping, because even as much as i like my pens, i can sure see they can be better.

 

[MagusSteele]

Oh, wanted to add, its the hairs that you taste "Burning" there is nothing you can really do about that, except watch that there isnt to many sticking out when you replace it into the cig.
The other thing, (I do this) IF i hit it to often and to close together, it does not give the atomizer and cart enough time to leach out more of the juice, which as you may know, if you set the cig down a bit, then go back to it, you notice the smoke is better for a couple hits, because the atomizer is once again wet.

 

[tribalmasters]

Try sucking on it harder. I just received my generic black 2 hole penstyle and when I sucked too gently it didn't produce much vapor and got the burning taste but sucking harder seemed to draw much liquid onto the atomiser. I guess letting it settle for a short while after refilling cart works too!

 

[PeteMcArthur]

With you 100% on this one, my pens vary from almost OK to poor. None empty carts very well. Even when I had the Kissbox it was little better. The classic is fine for dripping but I've never found one that's good with carts and I've had 4 pen styles now (I like the form factor and the mouthpiece"

 

[Denni]

Some atomisers are a bad fit for some carts. I now keep mine (reused) in 2 different bags, one of each of my atomisers...

I also 'fluff' the filling with the end of a paperclip to allow the juice to penetrate evenly and snip off any hairs that stick out.

Finally, the filling should be washed out regularly so that no gunk builds up. The atomisers also need an occasional rinse.

 

[trog100]

i think its connected with how heavy a user a person is.. or how quickly liquid needs to be drawn form the cart wool via the wire wool and into the atomizer pot..

light use and things work okay with the classic.. heavy use and they dont... small carts work better in this respect than large ones..

this explains why i and some others dont like the classic atomizer but some people do...

e cigs have three basic weak spots.. atomizer life... battery life.. and the simple wool to atomzer liquid fueling system..

in essence they aint quite there yet.. he he

they were designed as occasional use devices and thats still pretty much what they are..

trog

 

[Papa Lazarou]

The penstyle I've got works fine for me. Its just a generic from Pillbox38 - an RN4072. Honestly, I would say I get at least a hundred puffs from a prefilled cartridge without having to do anything. Maybe luck of the draw??

My Ruyan Bling on the other hand, often has the issue as you describe it - good vapour for a few puffs, then nothing. Put it down for half and hour and it might work next time or it might not.

 

[trog100]

The penstyle I've got works fine for me. Its just a generic from Pillbox38 - an RN4072. Honestly, I would say I get at least a hundred puffs from a prefilled cartridge without having to do anything. Maybe luck of the draw??

My Ruyan Bling on the other hand, often has the issue as you describe it - good vapour for a few puffs, then nothing. Put it down for half and hour and it might work next time or it might not.

if u only judge by one example of one device it certainly is down to luck of the draw.. 100% down to luck of the draw.. which is why comments based on just one example are not much use.. neither are reviews..

but its not how many puffs.. its more to do with how many puffs per minute.. or the speed at which the liquid has to make its trip..

out of dozens and dozens of devices tested i have now arrived at a simple rule.. small carts can deliver the liquid to the atomizer more inefficiently than big ones can..

which is why i personally like the 901 cart.. it occupies the middle ground.. not too big and not too small..

but it is personal choice which is also related to personal usage.. i tend to just think of the heavy user end...

trog

 

[Papa Lazarou]

In an ideal world the quality control would be such that all examples of the same model would work the same. I agree they don't

In the end, I think a more efficient means of liquid delivery will be the way forward. Some way of direct liquid injection into the vaporiser maybe. But the current system is cheap, simple and works to a point.

 

[trog100]

In an ideal world the quality control would be such that all examples of the same model would work the same. I agree they don't

In the end, I think a more efficient means of liquid delivery will be the way forward. Some way of direct liquid injection into the vaporiser maybe. But the current system is cheap, simple and works to a point.

it does.. but let me add it works better for some than it does for others.. occasional or light users have no problems.. heavy all day and every day users have major problems..

both the "cheap" and "point" factor are very elastic.. he he..

the truth of the matter is.. ruyan whos basic design has been copied only ever intended the things to be used for occasional use in the first place..

people are now using them for a purpose they were never intended to be used for.. the total replacement of real cigarettes..

trog

 

[just4747]

Oh, wanted to add, its the hairs that you taste "Burning" there is nothing you can really do about that, except watch that there isnt to many sticking out when you replace it into the cig.
The other thing, (I do this) IF i hit it to often and to close together, it does not give the atomizer and cart enough time to leach out more of the juice, which as you may know, if you set the cig down a bit, then go back to it, you notice the smoke is better for a couple hits, because the atomizer is once again wet.

It's not the fuzz crap giving off the burning taste, it is the atomizer not getting any liquid to vaporize...it's just dry even though tons of liquid was dripped into the cartridge. And I am 100% positive.

And also, even if I give it time to cool, I can still get the burning taste anyway.
It is not made wrong either, the filler pushes right into the atomizer mesh bridge...that's all that matters. The liquid should be getting to it just like my other devices do..but for some reason there has to be a ****in issue that is inexplicable right?

And I do all the maintenance and tips..I clean everything thoroughly, I push up the filler plenty of times with a paper clip, I re-soak the cart, I double-check everything, I smoke it every way possible just to get it to work, I replace all the parts and try it with others...

Gettin' sick of all of these things and all the work..

 

[Lurker]

I have the same problems with my Janty classic. I think Trog is right, you have to wait between drags to let the atomizer fill back up. I like to take a lot of drags in a small time frame and it just doesn't seem to work out with my penstyle. My 901s are much better for this style of vaping.

 

[just4747]

Nooooo No, I do that..lol I do EVERYTHING ever mentioned anywhere here...nothing has been found to be the answer.

That reminds me, even after cleaning the 2 atomizers and sticking new carts into the SD, even that lately has been bugging me, every drag tastes buttery or something and again that switch is so temperamental since it is loose now. But seriously, with everything fresh, I'm still getting this annoying taste that is nothing like the liquid, not burning but not right. And it's not my taste buds. It just decided to change even though everything is fresh and newly cleaned.... UGH

 

[trog100]

It's not the fuzz crap giving off the burning taste, it is the atomizer not getting any liquid to vaporize...it's just dry even though tons of liquid was dripped into the cartridge. And I am 100% positive.

And also, even if I give it time to cool, I can still get the burning taste anyway.
It is not made wrong either, the filler pushes right into the atomizer mesh bridge...that's all that matters. The liquid should be getting to it just like my other devices do..but for some reason there has to be a ****in issue that is inexplicable right?

And I do all the maintenance and tips..I clean everything thoroughly, I push up the filler plenty of times with a paper clip, I re-soak the cart, I double-check everything, I smoke it every way possible just to get it to work, I replace all the parts and try it with others...

Gettin' sick of all of these things and all the work..

u are correct.. but its not inexplicable.. its the nature of the beast.. the wire wool feeds the atomizer pot.. a factory prime is applied when the device is new..

the wire wool around the atomizer pot is soaked with liquid.. its holds a good six drops or perhaps a little more of liquid.. the device works.. keep this wire wool topped up with direct dripping.. say three drops.. it all works hunky dory.. no problem..

does the cart keep the wire wool wet enough no it dosnt..

it also acts like heatsink and pulls vaporizing heat away form the heater coil..

fact.. no classic will work as well from the cart as it does with direct dripping.. if people are happy with it not working as well.. well they are happy.. if they aint well they aint..

the only mystery here is why some are happy and some are not.. i think i have just explained why..

my explanation should last at least half a day before it gets forgotten... he he he

a 901 dsont sefer from this problem but it dose need five or six drops adding to the cart very so often.. fact..

just accept it justin.. there aint any other way..


trog

ps.. e cigs are far from perfect.. very far..

ps 2 as for "taste" well aint gonna dare go there.. it is part taste buds.. i get plenty of throat hit and taste at the beginning of the day but at the end of the day i get bugger all... i know its me not the device.. swapping liquid ever so often seems to help..

 

[leaford]

Ah! Now, THAT, I do get with the Janty/Sedansa type atomizers. Hell, I get that with my e-Pipe sometimes, even. That's not really about the cartridge life, though. It's pretty easy when you're puffing away, especially when you're watching TV or reading, to drain it dry without realizing it. BUt you just have to give it a rest and let the liquid trickle down, and you're back in business.