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So in the interest of science today I am doing a experiment. I am making a wick using three different techniques.
The first, I will make the one the traditional way. Wrap, heat, quench, burn liquid.
The second, I will do the "jack frost" method (see above)
The third I will do the "jack frost" method, but add the burning juice part. No quenching.
I am looking for several things. Taste, wicking, and juice discoloration. I will post my results.
so far using the traditional method with a half a tank of juice, there was discoloration. This happened quickly. Also, the taste does not seem to be as good so far.
So in the interest of science today I am doing a experiment. I am making a wick using three different techniques.
The first, I will make the one the traditional way. Wrap, heat, quench, burn liquid.
The second, I will do the "jack frost" method (see above)
The third I will do the "jack frost" method, but add the burning juice part. No quenching.
I am looking for several things. Taste, wicking, and juice discoloration. I will post my results.
so far using the traditional method with a half a tank of juice, there was discoloration. This happened quickly. Also, the taste does not seem to be as good so far.
Picture:
http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv74/Arctherus/d904e6fd.jpg
Now, I tried wrapping the coil clockwise, counter clockwise, all combos possible. Can't get it to right.
http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv74/Arctherus/d904e6fd.jpg
Now, I tried wrapping the coil clockwise, counter clockwise, all combos possible. Can't get it to right.
Most probably you are wrapping the top coil too tight. Make sure you lightly wrap that coil and wedge it between the brass nuts without putting much strain on the wire. The slowly drip juice on it and fire in short bursts adjusting the coil until the red glow goes away. Slowly increase the time of the burst and get the coil oxidized well.
I am new to this as well and had to do about 20 coils before I got the pressure right.
I stopped quenching a long time ago. Got far better results from several wets/burns with old juice that I dont like.
the "petar k" method
...first of all, you will need a "Genisis" type mod
and:
from left to right: ~5cm 0,25mm NiChr/Cekas/Kanthal wire, 10x20mm 400 mesh, 2mm, 1.5mm and 1mm borer/nail/needle... (in the rest of the text: "tool"), and tweezers. (1mm needle is not on the picture above)
part 1: wire coil
make wire loops on 2mm (in this case - borer).
loops/wraps should be tightened well, and they mast be all equally parallel wrapped.
now, mount the coil in your unit, and fasten below end of the wire to the shorter connector.
than, using a needle (small and sharp one), make (equal/parallel(!) spaces between the loops. when you do that, fasten the other end of wire to the taller/longer connector.
when you finish spacing, pull out 2mm "tool", and glow red the coil - for cleaning and resistance "stabilisation". also, it will make the coil stiffer, so it doesn't deform so easily.
when done, it should look like this:
part 2: mesh - wicking
roll the mesh around 1mm id. tool. make it tight and try to flatten/smooth the mesh's edges.
than, put inside the mesh 1.5mm tool, and tighten it.
pull out 1.5mm tool and push inside 2mm tool. now, the mesh's surface should be "perfectly" rounded and smooth.
...burning - not "oxidating". torch it once, and do it to the entire surface of the mesh. it will clean the mesh and make it stiffer.
also, before burning make sure that your 2mm "tool" is pulled of - actually pushed in, but only few millimeters, just to hold the mesh when you torch it.
now, put the mesh inside the coil. it must go through the coil very easily. make it just a little wider on the top so it doesn't fall inside tank.
so, it looks like this:
now, when you have perfectly shaped mesh coil - vape it!
note: 2mm id wide mesh should be made from just ~10mm mesh sheet because: it doesn't make too big pressure to the coil; it doesn't clogs too soon; and the most important - it wicks, and watts are not spent for mesh heating, but for e-liquid.
...first of all, you will need a "Genisis" type mod
and:
from left to right: ~5cm 0,25mm NiChr/Cekas/Kanthal wire, 10x20mm 400 mesh, 2mm, 1.5mm and 1mm borer/nail/needle... (in the rest of the text: "tool"), and tweezers. (1mm needle is not on the picture above)
part 1: wire coil
make wire loops on 2mm (in this case - borer).
loops/wraps should be tightened well, and they mast be all equally parallel wrapped.
now, mount the coil in your unit, and fasten below end of the wire to the shorter connector.
than, using a needle (small and sharp one), make (equal/parallel(!) spaces between the loops. when you do that, fasten the other end of wire to the taller/longer connector.
when you finish spacing, pull out 2mm "tool", and glow red the coil - for cleaning and resistance "stabilisation". also, it will make the coil stiffer, so it doesn't deform so easily.
when done, it should look like this:
part 2: mesh - wicking
roll the mesh around 1mm id. tool. make it tight and try to flatten/smooth the mesh's edges.
than, put inside the mesh 1.5mm tool, and tighten it.
pull out 1.5mm tool and push inside 2mm tool. now, the mesh's surface should be "perfectly" rounded and smooth.
...burning - not "oxidating". torch it once, and do it to the entire surface of the mesh. it will clean the mesh and make it stiffer.
also, before burning make sure that your 2mm "tool" is pulled of - actually pushed in, but only few millimeters, just to hold the mesh when you torch it.
now, put the mesh inside the coil. it must go through the coil very easily. make it just a little wider on the top so it doesn't fall inside tank.
so, it looks like this:
now, when you have perfectly shaped mesh coil - vape it!
note: 2mm id wide mesh should be made from just ~10mm mesh sheet because: it doesn't make too big pressure to the coil; it doesn't clogs too soon; and the most important - it wicks, and watts are not spent for mesh heating, but for e-liquid.
This is a great thread and I am happy to have been following since ob brought it into existance.
I created my first wick today. I started with the Jack Frost method (unrolled without quenching) and did that to both sides, three times. Then I folded one edge and rolled on a medium size straightened paper clip. Then I torched and quenched in cold water three times. When I wrapped my coils, I used the rolling paper technique with a 4/3 wrap. Maybe it was first time, beginners luck but it worked like a charm.
Thanks to all who have offered recommendations and their personal advice.
I created my first wick today. I started with the Jack Frost method (unrolled without quenching) and did that to both sides, three times. Then I folded one edge and rolled on a medium size straightened paper clip. Then I torched and quenched in cold water three times. When I wrapped my coils, I used the rolling paper technique with a 4/3 wrap. Maybe it was first time, beginners luck but it worked like a charm.
Thanks to all who have offered recommendations and their personal advice.
First thanks OB for setting this up! I am sure it will help a lot of people
I dont know your exact setup but I did find that I would always get a hot spot on the top coil and no matter what I did I just could not get it corrected,
well after doing some reading and advise from other forums I came to the conclusion that it was the sweetness of the juice its self causing the hot spot!
sounded crazy to me at first but what I did was vaped 3 tanks of my usual tobacco flavor or any non sweet juice (in my orion so like 6 ml) it kinda gunked up the coil and wick and after that I can use any sweet flavor I want.
just be careful not to get too many dry hits or it would burn away the oxidation caused by un sweet juice already put through the wick and coil.
but if you are not using a sweet flavor then I would suspect a a short somewhere?
what unit are you using?
VG users...
325 vs. 400 aside
anyone have any ideas on whether more mesh material/tighter center hole wicks better vs. less mesh material/wider center hole, or vice-a-versa?
325 vs. 400 aside
anyone have any ideas on whether more mesh material/tighter center hole wicks better vs. less mesh material/wider center hole, or vice-a-versa?
calling this the Kiralina method. Saw this on another thread. I will be curious how everyone feels about this one. I hope the OP does not mind me adding it. I sent a PM to make sure. In the meantime......
Hi,
This is how I prepare my genesis wick (in case it can help somebody)
First cut your piece of mesh and boil it for 3- 5 min.
1 divide the width of the mesh in 2 pieces ( aprox. 1/3 and 2/3)
2.take the bigger piece and roll it very tight (no need for a needle central hole).
3.take the smaller piece and blow torch it orange unrolled (Jack Frost method)
4.roll the oxidized piece over the first unoxidized piece
5.blow torch orange only once for 5- 10 sec the wick obtained on point 4 and let it cool in the air.
6.put some e-juice on it and burn it with a lighter (2-3 times)
All the process takes less than 10 min.
Now you can make the coil.
Since I make the wick like this never had a hot spot, or wicking problems.
Hi,
This is how I prepare my genesis wick (in case it can help somebody)
First cut your piece of mesh and boil it for 3- 5 min.
1 divide the width of the mesh in 2 pieces ( aprox. 1/3 and 2/3)
2.take the bigger piece and roll it very tight (no need for a needle central hole).
3.take the smaller piece and blow torch it orange unrolled (Jack Frost method)
4.roll the oxidized piece over the first unoxidized piece
5.blow torch orange only once for 5- 10 sec the wick obtained on point 4 and let it cool in the air.
6.put some e-juice on it and burn it with a lighter (2-3 times)
All the process takes less than 10 min.
Now you can make the coil.
Since I make the wick like this never had a hot spot, or wicking problems.
As credit was already mentioned, can you describe what are you referring to? It is not "OK" to do consolidation threads, or would it just be "proper protocol" to also include the link to the original thread? Could you please include the link so others have that too?
Yes, I'm too lazy today to look at forum rules and also too lazy to search for the original thread.
Same info as Ob posted, I have no other information, look up Kiralina's posts and you will find his post
As credit was already mentioned, can you describe what are you referring to? It is not "OK" to do consolidation threads, or would it just be "proper protocol" to also include the link to the original thread? Could you please include the link so others have that too?
Yes, I'm too lazy today to look at forum rules and also too lazy to search for the original thread.
Thank you for mentioning my method here. I think this is the best place for it and this is the link to the original post:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tips-tricks/311418-my-ss-wick-trick.html
As credit was already mentioned, can you describe what are you referring to? It is not "OK" to do consolidation threads, or would it just be "proper protocol" to also include the link to the original thread? Could you please include the link so others have that too?
Yes, I'm too lazy today to look at forum rules and also too lazy to search for the original thread.
BTW, I did ask for permission from the OP. I do not want anyone to think I am either trying to take credit for something or take away from anyones thread. This is a all inclusive thread, and thought it would be nice to add that method as that is the main point of this thread. One easy place to find all sorts of helpful info.
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