Wick and Wire Guidelines (?)

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I am looking for replacement wick and wire for Ody. I know this has been discussed and it seems redundant, but I've watched a lot of dialogue back and forth about these and I can tell you all know why you're going for one versus another and why you need to torch some wick and not others, etc., but that's all zooming right by me. Can you offer some guidelines on what's best and why, as far as the NR and R wires go and why one wick versus another?

I know this is rather lazy and I need to revisit my lessons on electricity and this is an opportune time to find them engaging, but I need to order more asap. Thanks. :)

I need some principles... that's what I'm trying to say here. lol
 
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OK, I could do this for the R wire, right?
Nickel Chrome Resistance Wire .005" (.13mm) x 100' | eBay

Problems finding NR wire...

ETA: OK, so combining info from some other posts:
Could do 1/2oz (100') .999 US Fine Silver 30 Gauge Round DS Wire | eBay for NR wire.

Would there be any problems with these? I'm not sure how either compares to the wires that shipped with Ody.

I use the silver NR wire and it works just fine. The two R wires I use are .16mm and .20mm kanthal. With the Ody's large ceramic there's plenty of room to make higher resistance coils so the gauge wire isn't as much of a factor as with other devices. What resistance coils are you thinking you want to make?
 

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Thanks for the quick response, Para. :D

I have not experimented much with resistance yet. I like the LR atties, but I'm seeing this is very different. Why are these LR coils so much more resilient than the LR atties? I'm really curious. Anyway, I'm loving this coil I have on now @ 1.6ohm. I guess, for now, I'll focus on 1.5 - 2.0 ohm. I really liked the 3.0ohm at 6v, but I blew some ikvs, so I got away from that.

OK, I think I'll just answer the question: I plan to make mostly 1.5 - 2.0 coils.

What source would you recommend for the wires?
 

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I am looking for replacement wick and wire for Ody. I know this has been discussed and it seems redundant, but I've watched a lot of dialogue back and forth about these and I can tell you all know why you're going for one versus another and why you need to torch some wick and not others, etc., but that's all zooming right by me. Can you offer some guidelines on what's best and why, as far as the NR and R wires go and why one wick versus another?

I know this is rather lazy
and I need to revisit my lessons on electricity and this is an opportune time to find them engaging, but I need to order more asap. Thanks. :)

I need some principles... that's what I'm trying to say here. lol

Do a search on Ebay for Kanthal; seems like I remember someone posting a link to an Ebay seller.

Yes, it is.......Google is a good tool for finding answers to questions
 

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Pmtoolco only had 32 when I talked to him. From what iv read and been told 32 works for lr and 36 works for Sr. Iv been on the hunt for some one with 32,34 and 36 to play with. I got 25' of both half hard and dead soft sterling silver for nr wire. I'm about to make a run for a cleaner to help with the ceramic cup and clean the metal parts one more time I hope then start my vacation coil making classes lol
 

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I checked pmtoolco, too, and saw 32. I'm doing LR, so maybe it would be fine. So many options!

And k3v1n: grats *U*K U! ;) You have a comrade who posts lots of UK sources, too. I think it might be fright.

Thanks for sharing your finds and thoughts. I can't wait to have spools of wire and wick right here... on my desk. The thought of it makes me... vape harder.

I just don't want spools that are dropped into my enormous box of "tried it and it didn't like it" vaping castoffs.
 

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Pmtoolco only had 32 when I talked to him. From what iv read and been told 32 works for lr and 36 works for Sr. Iv been on the hunt for some one with 32,34 and 36 to play with. I got 25' of both half hard and dead soft sterling silver for nr wire. I'm about to make a run for a cleaner to help with the ceramic cup and clean the metal parts one more time I hope then start my vacation coil making classes lol

Not sure where you could find 32, 34 and 36 in Kanthal, but you can get those gauges in Nichrome from Jacobs-Online.

I've got 100' of 34 gauge nichrome on the way from them. I like having at least an inch of wire to wrap around the wick in the spacious Ody, but also like the 1.5-2.0 ohm range, so that gauge seemed the perfect happy medium for me. I guess I'll find out.
 

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OK, so I was wondering what the differences between kanthal and nichrome were and came across this from the ukvapers forum, which was quoted from the ecf forum, so it bounces again:

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Posted 16 December 2011 - 07:19 PM

Isn't the Kanthal meant to be slightly cleaner tasting after the initial burn off?

*Edit. From an answer I got from Lorderos33 on ecf.
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"The resistance wire that came with the iAtty is 34ga NiChrome as far as I can tell (correct me if I am wrong).

The difference is that the 32ga has less resistance for per in so is easier/better for LR coils (at least the Kanthal A-1 I am using is). I never had a coil I wound with 32ga Kanthal A1 fail even after a 30 second dry burn torture test (4.2 volts in a 1.5 ohm coil with no wick or juice on the coil). The coil was undamaged, held its shape and vaped normally after a wick was inserted and juice re-added. While I don't think this is a good idea for anyone else to do, it does show just how durable this resistance wire is. The lower resistance to length ratio simply means that you end up with more coils on the wick which gives you more heated surface area thus more vapor (in theory, but not 100% of the time in practice) in any given atomizer.

Kanthal holds it 's shape very well and is relatively very strong even when glowing red to near white hot. It's service temp is a bit higher than nichrome which also makes it a very good choice for vaping. It develops an oxidation layer very quickly as so the "off" taste of a new coil is gone pretty quickly (usually less than 10 good drags is needed to get to the broken in clean taste). This oxidation layer seals it from attack from liquids that it is contact with so it is also a very "clean" wire. Of course, as with all things where multiple materials will work to achieve a desired effect, some will prefer nichrome to kanthal for one reason or another. The tastes are slightly different too. With kanthal, the 'off" taste is more drastic, but disappears completely but with nichrome, the "off" taste is initially less and never goes completely away. Most of us are used to this taste because it is what is in almost all, if not all, commercial atomizers so the clear taste of kanthal after it is broken in may throw off some vapers. Subtle flavors come through better on broken in kanthal and strong flavors become even stronger. In the end I think it's best to experiment with them and decide what you like better. This is very easy with rebuildable atomizers like the iAtty so why not Posted Image

The pure silver is good for those who have a sensitivity to nickel which is quite common and leaches less into the juice. It is a better conductor than nickel, but is harder to make iAtty coils with because it is so soft that it wants to wrap around the resistance wire instead of twisting together with it so there are plusses and minuses with using it. I think for most people, unless they have a nickel sensitivity, the nickel is a better coice for NR wire and it is much less expensive than fine silver.

Your experiences may be different than my own, but this is what I have noticed so far."

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Sorry if a lot of this (references, etc.) seem OT - I just think that if I'm wondering, someone else probably is, too.

I know I like the nichrome, as it's what came with the Ody, but now I'm curious. I'll have to find some of the kanthal, too.
 
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