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I used ceramic in my Ody from day one...it wicks great and the flavour is noteworthy, the purity and crispness rivals mesh...but that's where the goodness stops...it's a major PITA to setup as you have to cook off all the crap it's processed with with a propane torch (MAP gas is better) which then makes it as fragile as hell, if you don't, it tastes horrible...then there's that lovely sound of grinding broken glass when I screwed the Ody back together once built...and those are just the shards you know about...
The first time I rolled up some cotton baton in my Ody was the last time I used ceramic...you're not missing anything imo...
Thanks, sounds like just what I am attempting to avoid!
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haha, right i could see where yours would look a little funny. but they probably figured it looked to suspicious to be something where hers looked too normal. lol
but some these people posted are spun fibers with all the little ss fibers hanging off it. thanks imma go pick some up. boil for 15 minutes?
Just do NOT dry burn the cheese cloth or else you end up with just a coil LOL
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I always treat my wires. Just running it through a Bic lighter flame and making it glow will burn off impurities before it touches your wick. Plus, it also takes some of the springy-ness out of it, makes it easier to wrap a coil. Time and again I see posts about how "eww, kanthal tastes bad, I like nichrome" or visa-versa. Honestly, I have never tasted coil metal. I really think these folks are tasting impurities on the coil, not the coil itself. I might be wrong. I doubt it, though. Seriously, take the extra 30 seconds and burn off the machine oil and industrial solvents that are probably present in small quantities on your wire.
You should always fold in and crease the cut edge of a SS mesh wick, if for no other reason than preventing the frayed ends from shorting your coil. I have zero health concerns with SS mesh. Folded, creased, and rolled tight, it has less chance than even cotton of allowing a fiber into your lungs. Nothing is 100% safe. NOTHING. In my opinion, SS mesh is probably the safest, but the difficulty factor is far greater than cotton, even to an experienced mesh user. I've had evenings where I couldn't get a coil on mesh without shorting to the point of throwing an atty in the trash. (I retrieved my Scubagen back from the trash the next day, and anyone who has a Scubagen probably knows where I'm coming from)
I think Pariseau is talking about the SS 'wool' that was posted a while ago, maybe.
Hey everyone. So, after reading through SOME of this thread (couldn't get through the whole thing), and seeing some stuff posted elsewhere in the forums, I decided to give something a try. This may have been done before, but I thought I'd share anyway since it's working incredibly well for me.
I cut a piece of cheese cloth, about 2x3 inches (I'll measure next time. I was just eyeballing it.) and just rolled it firmly (not tight) until it was about twice the width of the side juice flow channels in my Penelope. Wrapped a 5 wrap coil around it, which pulled the cheese cloth tighter, then once I set the coil in the Penelope, I twisted the parts of the wick that fit into the side channels until they were just tight enough to push into the channels.
That's it. Didn't pull individual strands or braid the cotton, or anything. It's vaping unbelievably well and I'm getting fantastic flavor so far. Granted it's only been about 30 minutes, so we'll see if it starts tasting like burnt q-tips
Do any of you guys see any flaws in this method?
I cut a piece of cheese cloth, about 2x3 inches (I'll measure next time. I was just eyeballing it.) and just rolled it firmly (not tight) until it was about twice the width of the side juice flow channels in my Penelope. Wrapped a 5 wrap coil around it, which pulled the cheese cloth tighter, then once I set the coil in the Penelope, I twisted the parts of the wick that fit into the side channels until they were just tight enough to push into the channels.
That's it. Didn't pull individual strands or braid the cotton, or anything. It's vaping unbelievably well and I'm getting fantastic flavor so far. Granted it's only been about 30 minutes, so we'll see if it starts tasting like burnt q-tips
Do any of you guys see any flaws in this method?
Hey everyone. So, after reading through SOME of this thread (couldn't get through the whole thing), and seeing some stuff posted elsewhere in the forums, I decided to give something a try. This may have been done before, but I thought I'd share anyway since it's working incredibly well for me.
I cut a piece of cheese cloth, about 2x3 inches (I'll measure next time. I was just eyeballing it.) and just rolled it firmly (not tight) until it was about twice the width of the side juice flow channels in my Penelope. Wrapped a 5 wrap coil around it, which pulled the cheese cloth tighter, then once I set the coil in the Penelope, I twisted the parts of the wick that fit into the side channels until they were just tight enough to push into the channels.
That's it. Didn't pull individual strands or braid the cotton, or anything. It's vaping unbelievably well and I'm getting fantastic flavor so far. Granted it's only been about 30 minutes, so we'll see if it starts tasting like burnt q-tips
Do any of you guys see any flaws in this method?
Depending on the grade of cheese cloth you got, 2" wide sounds about right, I've been using cheese cloth in my Ody for a while and I just recently got a Penny...check this out...it may help you out as far as being able to refine and repeat your builds over and over...
GG Penelope with a Cheese Cloth Wick - YouTube
Mr. Quigs. Very informative video. You are setting the standard here. In your video, you use 45 thread count for the Penny for optimal wicking. Based on your experience how many threads would you use for a viva nova? For standard wick slots or for slots that have been opened up for a larger wick?
I use 40 in the Penny, 45 in the Ody...if only because the Penny seems to dryhit a little easier than the Ody (I think it's because the ceramic's well in the Penny is a little smaller and you have to concentrate your coil on a smaller section of wick, theory???)...all I know is that I used to use the same wick I put in my Ody and I would get the occasional dry hit, since dropping to 40 it's been perfect...I use 35 in my Vivi with the slots filed to almost 3mm...but that's for now, it works pretty damn good at that but honestly I haven't put a ton of time into Vivi experimentation with a new Penny to play with...
The reason why I just don't use 35 all around is because I do tend to chain when I vape...I've found that less threads seem to wick faster, but more threads has a larger capacity to hold juice in reserve ensuring a good session (which is why I'm a firm believer now in the little wick stub sitting on the coil...best of both worlds?)...my juice is mostly 70/30 and the average temp in my area right now is 70 degrees...and yes, I know, I put way too much thought into this
The reason why I just don't use 35 all around is because I do tend to chain when I vape...I've found that less threads seem to wick faster, but more threads has a larger capacity to hold juice in reserve ensuring a good session (which is why I'm a firm believer now in the little wick stub sitting on the coil...best of both worlds?)...my juice is mostly 70/30 and the average temp in my area right now is 70 degrees...and yes, I know, I put way too much thought into this
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<<shrug>> could be, I read about the internal pressure theories when the expansion kit was released for the Ody...(they have this tendency to get floody at half tank in long mod)...defies logic in my opinion
I don't claim to hold an engineering degree in fluid dynamics but there's something going on there
...I just close the flow control, vape through the gurgle then open it again (to a lesser flow) and carry on...meh...the Penny seems to be a little more consistent as the juice level drops but it's not such a big deal...3ml vs. the Ody's 7ml...with the Ody you have a longer time to be irritated 
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I am still hoping that someone can help me with the mesh/cotton/cheese cloth question.
if you use a hybrid, will you have to change the cotton/cheesecloth at the same rate, or will the mesh on the outside protect it from burning?
has anyone done this, or have any idea?
if you use a hybrid, will you have to change the cotton/cheesecloth at the same rate, or will the mesh on the outside protect it from burning?
has anyone done this, or have any idea?
Quigsticks will not last anywhere near as long as straight kanthal/mesh...mine drop off at about the 3-4 day mark
Mesh on the outside of a cotton (I've done that in my SGV3, Line and GTUS) does last a little longer than just wrapping a coil on straight cotton but in my opinion that defeats to purpose of this thread and frankly, you may as well just skip the cotton and use straight mesh, it wicks perfectly fine on it's own and making that set-up is kind of a PITA...
Quigsticks will not last anywhere near as long as straight kanthal/mesh...mine drop off at about the 3-4 day mark
Mesh on the outside of a cotton (I've done that in my SGV3, Line and GTUS) does last a little longer than just wrapping a coil on straight cotton but in my opinion that defeats to purpose of this thread and frankly, you may as well just skip the cotton and use straight mesh, it wicks perfectly fine on it's own and making that set-up is kind of a PITA...
ok. thanks. sorry, I in no way intended to derail this thing. Ill go take a timeout now
No, no, sorry Ob...I didn't mean to come across as some heavy handed cotton fanboy or nothing
I actually made that comment first to myself when trying to get a mesh wrapped rolled cotton wick in my GTUS and getting pretty seriously frustrated...why again am I doing this?
I actually made that comment first to myself when trying to get a mesh wrapped rolled cotton wick in my GTUS and getting pretty seriously frustrated...why again am I doing this?
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