Wick materials. Safe vs dangerous.

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Cyrus Vap

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Thanks for posting that link, gotta love Kurt, always to the rescue!

Raven: Yes I'm doing just as you described. The coils seem to be hit or miss on stock phoenix. Sometimes they're smushed way down, sometimes nice, and sometimes in between. Big Screen D who posts in the phoenix thread a lot is of the opinion that that crappy coil position explains quite a bit wrt some people getting terrible dry hits and useless wicking action with these, and I'm in agreement with him

Epoxy? Yuck! I need to look closer. I have one 3ml phoenix that has an impossible draw, and I looked at the cup, and the center hole is actually so narrow that I can't even get a pin through it. Wonder if its just epoxied shut? I'll take a flame to it and see.

TomCatt: Those coils look great! How hot are you running that thing, ohms, volts?

PS: WHy can't you tag someone in a post? Like the @insert name thing? always makes me feel weird to name someone in a post without alerting them to it lol
 

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He could sell shorter lengths and make a killing :sneaky: shhhhhh

:lol:

I just sent out my 3rd free envelope to members who are out because I had a boatload. I made a sale yesterday and ended up throwing in a whole roll of K. But believe me the thought crossed my mind:
"Get your Kanthal here folks Only $.25 per Ln ft, and 400 mesh $ 2.50 per sq. in. Today only for ECF members"
 

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I just sent out my 3rd free envelope to members who are out because I had a boatload. I made a sale yesterday and ended up throwing in a whole roll of K. But believe me the thought crossed my mind:
"Get your Kanthal here folks Only $.25 per Ln ft, and 400 mesh $ 2.50 per sq. in. Today only for ECF members"

you better save a care package for me, lol;)
 

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I haven't seen any 'vendor specific' wick material lists. I believe (read as 'in my less-than-knowledgeable-in-this-area opinion') most atomizers and non-filler cartomizers being mass produced are using silica wicks. Another opinion/belief (in this I am somewhat more knowledgeable than the previous sentence, though I don't have any references at present) I have is that for silica fibers to pose a carcinogenic risk they have to be nanoparticles [a nanoparticle is a particle with at least one dimension that is less than or equal to 100 nanometers (1 nanometer = 0.000000001 m)]. The chances of silica fibers producing nanoparticles is very slim.

But on the other hand, COTTON seems to be even lower on the risk scale than silica and appears to wick much better than silica as long as you don't let it go dry.

TomCat,

Remember Manufacturers are driven by profit, not the well being of their customers, just look at Philip Morris. If a material is cost effective and even a % safer than carbon monoxide, arsenic, cyanide, Etc then they will use it and call it "safer" than cigs. inhaling silica and ceramics will probably give us Mesophilioma. It will just take a lot longer. Unlike the smoke produced by a cig that is composed almost entirely of hazardous particulate, the vapor of the ecig is composed of water droplets(safe), flavoring(safe), Nicotine(safe, as caffine), and a touch of particulate from what ever the wick material is.

without a lot of super scientific data, one can still use a touch of common sense. if the material toxic? can to human body absorb the material? How much of the material do we believe is going into the body (the hardest ? to answer) and may have direct correlation to the first two questions. These questions could most likely be answered with limited study. providing the materials aren't state of the art, cutting edge, like aerogels, the answer is probably out there already.

That said, A person can kill themselves consuming too much water, nearly every thing that is "good" for you is toxic in high doses. So are any materials SAFE? the question is more like how unsafe are they?
 

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That's what I tried, although not with silica (proud to say I don't even have any silica :)), I used cotton batton (I've also tried it a while ago with ceramic, which was a complete disaster because the ceramic is way too fragile, it just disintegrated when I tried to roll the mesh on)

I'll bet you torched the Nextel wick before to rolled it ...... just torch the the ends AFTER you roll it!
 

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Sorry of this has been answered. Is the ceramic wick safe and have people had success using it?

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Chris

People do use it, but the "safest" health wise is probably cotton wick. The ends of nextel wick break. that said in siomething like an Odyssey where both ends are down in the juice not really and issue, but for dripping and on stick wick probably not the best idea. Especially with alternatives like cotton and SS available.
 

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TomCat,

Remember Manufacturers are driven by profit, not the well being of their customers, just look at Philip Morris. If a material is cost effective and even a % safer than carbon monoxide, arsenic, cyanide, Etc then they will use it and call it "safer" than cigs. inhaling silica and ceramics will probably give us Mesophilioma. It will just take a lot longer. Unlike the smoke produced by a cig that is composed almost entirely of hazardous particulate, the vapor of the ecig is composed of water droplets(safe), flavoring(safe), Nicotine(safe, as caffine), and a touch of particulate from what ever the wick material is.

without a lot of super scientific data, one can still use a touch of common sense. if the material toxic? can to human body absorb the material? How much of the material do we believe is going into the body (the hardest ? to answer) and may have direct correlation to the first two questions. These questions could most likely be answered with limited study. providing the materials aren't state of the art, cutting edge, like aerogels, the answer is probably out there already.

That said, A person can kill themselves consuming too much water, nearly every thing that is "good" for you is toxic in high doses. So are any materials SAFE? the question is more like how unsafe are they?

This is all opinions as I stated in post #1246 on pg 125.
 

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People do use it, but the "safest" health wise is probably cotton wick. The ends of nextel wick break. that said in siomething like an Odyssey where both ends are down in the juice not really and issue, but for dripping and on stick wick probably not the best idea. Especially with alternatives like cotton and SS available.

Thanks. I'm going to be using it in Odysseus and Penelope. I just ordered some cotton candle wick off eBay and am going to try and find some cotton string or yarn. Trying to find the safest route.
 

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I would guess that SS would the best option, except for the necessary oxidation, it makes me a bit nervous to be honest.

And Youseffa I think you mean mesothelioma :) ? its an incredibly rare cancer, and associated with asbestos exposure, taking about 20-30 years to develop. Asbestos is more likely to cause lung cancer proper than mesothelial cancer.

Silicosis is a pneumoconiosis and essentially amounts to auto immune eradication of pulmonary micro architecture due to introduction of a foreign substance (in this case silica, but quartz, beryllium etc can do it) that cannot be readily be cleared from the alveoli, which necessitates a sufficiently small particle size (from memory its about .01 micron) and dose. It can develop rapidly, and is essentially untreatable without a lung transplant.
 

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With the small amounts of cotton we are using i think we will be safe.

The employee exposure limits, known as
permissible exposure limits (PEL), are average expo-
sures as measured over an eight-hour workday.

For employees who are covered by OSHA’s Cotton
Standard (29 CFR 1910.1043), the exposure limits are
as follows:
• 200 micrograms of cotton dust per cubic meter
for air yarn manufacturing;
• 500 micrograms of cotton dust per cubic meter
for textile waste houses;
• 750 micrograms of cotton dust per cubic meter
for slashing and weaving operations; and
• 1000 micrograms of cotton dust per cubic meter
for waste recycling and garneting.

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