Wick materials. Safe vs dangerous.

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Along with 3D Printing and Genetic Engineering, can Desktop Nanotech be that much of a leap..?

Desktop nanotech?...I've been following quantum/optical computing...that's some bleeding edge stuff, drop the whole electromagnetic schema altogether...no heat from electron flow and with the speed of light as the theoretical speed limit, though, since the discovery of the higgs boson, even that is now in question...our kids are going to see some mind blowing tech, hell, we may even see it...:)
 

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I never picked up that hemp fellas :)

Good post on the mysterious alloys quigs, contributed to my freak out!

Autopsied a patient today who's face and brain were being eaten alive by fungus. At least it wasn't copper nanites :)

Damn hope you washed good after that before vaping. Poor person, that is horrible.
 

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Apex Alpha with the RES (reservoir expansion system) ...looks like the stuff used in an aquarium bubbler...thing is, great to hold and release liquid but it's too porous for capillary action...there is a company called Porex that will make to your spec's...lab grade stuff...how much money do you have???:facepalm:

I knew someone would remember it. :)
 

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What are electric stove coils made off? They get red hot and you can put a conductive metal pan on them and they don't short. Be nice to have some mini coils like that.

Some sort of carbon or metallic ceramic coating...you can smash it off and just be left with the monster 10 awg nichrome wire embedded inside...was board at work one day :)
 

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Couple of things, ThermalVape has had a unit that is similar to what you guys are speaking of in a sense, it is not for there vapor line but for there essence oil and other things to vaporize :lol:with in regards to a hot plate type working unit, you can watch a video on it here =
http://.............../collections/...pe-revolution-universal-concentrate-vaporizer

On another similar topic ( porous ceramic Rods ) I have been working with these for about 6 months now, I have had samples already made and have been testing and testing and testing,,, there are places that will make you very high quality porous ceramic rods right here in the USA as well as China. I have given Cyrus Vap a sample Beta porous ceramic Rod/Coil 510 Atomizer that I have made for him as a Beta to see how he liked it a couple of months ago, this was just a Beta tester and no where near a final product of anything special, just a simple 510 Atty with porous ceramic rod but made like a 357 style with SS wool mesh in it as well.,, I also have been using these porous ceramic Rods in Genesis type units but in a bigger size. In the mean time I have gotten together with a vendor and have been working on something else all together different that is new and hasn't been in the vape world , that's about all I can elaborate on this for right now,, Cyrus is welcome to touch on his Beta 510 porous ceramic coil if he so desires since this I will not be producing, and only using the porous ceramic in a different way for a different type of unit.,,,That's all I got for now :)
 
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The MWA atty is a beast, I love the thing. My only complaint which I've voiced is the draw is tight, like an I06, maybe a tad tighter, which is not a consequence of the rod but how mwa wrapped it up, which he did on purpose. He's talked me through fixing it but I haven't been brave enough :)

It wicks perfectly, produces clouds of vapor, and dry burns to pristine white. Flavor is all there. Its entirely on par with my .357s which for me means, its on par with the best non RBA atomizer, period.

I'd love to see how these rods perform in a bottom tank Genny :)
 

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That is a GOOD question :)

First off, nicotine most def raises blood sugar, but you personally don't have to worry about that as you've braved that beast :) This probably happens through increased sympathetic nervous system discharge, which will ramp up glucose production in the liver and subsequent release into the blood stream, e.g. gluconeogenesis.

The question is, how much? Is it clinically significant? If so, significant to a diabetic? To a non diabetic? It probably depends, which is one of those fun answers.

FWIW this is one of the reasons smokers are told to NOT smoke before or during (obviously) an oral glucose tolerance test. I once played with this myself, took serial blood sugar measurements over a few hours where I wasn't eating, but smoking 2-3 cigs an hour. Oh yeah that blood sugar went up alright lol :)

PG, I think, is metabolized to pyruvate, and then from there can be fed into the krebs cycle, or metabolized to lactate. The latter can be used to synthesize glucose.

EDIT: Also Acetate and Propionaldehyde. Neither one of these is particularly desirable, but again, how much? I don't know.

VG is essentially what's left when your body cleaves off the fatty acid chains from a fat molecule. It is metabolized into glucose.

(Alternatively, it could be used in de novo lipogenesis, but contrary to what anti carb nut jobs claim, this almost *never* happens. You would literally have to be 1) in positive caloric balance 2) on a little to no fat diet 3) putting away about 600 grams of crabs a day to even flirt with this. So this one is probably a moot point)

The question again is, how much?

Glycerin, according to this, nets 5 gram of carb per 5 ml. Assuming that means what it means, if you vape 5 ml a day, that's a whopping 5 gram of carb across lets say 12 hours. Meh...

Couple that with the fact that you're likely not absorbing it very efficiently (how much does the oral mucosa actually get? the respiratory mucosa?), it probably amounts to jack all.
 
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The MWA atty is a beast, I love the thing. My only complaint which I've voiced is the draw is tight, like an I06, maybe a tad tighter, which is not a consequence of the rod but how mwa wrapped it up, which he did on purpose. He's talked me through fixing it but I haven't been brave enough :)

It wicks perfectly, produces clouds of vapor, and dry burns to pristine white. Flavor is all there. Its entirely on par with my .357s which for me means, its on par with the best non RBA atomizer, period.

I'd love to see how these rods perform in a bottom tank Genny :)



So I guess you would like to see this in a RBA huh ? :closedeyes:


I got some newer samples with a 1/16" hole up the center of the rod and a couple with a 1/8" hole up the center of the Rod, they perform pristine Cyrus :2cool:
 

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BJ, I can tell you I am type2 Diabetic, and have spoken to Cyrus a bit about this,,, vaping definitely raises my blood sugars, I'm down to 12mg Nic and personally I think it is more then just the Nic that raises my sugars but I'm no mad Dr like Cyrus so cant be for sure, but vaping in general absolutely raises my sugars.
 

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The other thing to keep in mind is, the difference between a "normal" person and the physiologic dysfunction that occurs in a diabetic

Normal guy pops X carbs, pancreas goes to work, all is well

Diabetic pops X carbs, pancreas doesn't do so well (or does nothing if you're a type I), but it doesn't stop there. There is also disordered release of glucose into the blood stream via the liver, and disordered release of fatty acids into the blood stream via adipocytes (fat cells). This contributes to insulin resistance, or in a way, amounts to insulin resistance.

That said, the major question here, is what's the glycemic burden/load of 5 mls of VG? And how much do we actually absorb? I'm trying to find hard data on VG's nutritional profile, so far all I have is what I posted above from the Heritage Label.

As I told MWA the best way to check this for yourself is take your glucometer after you've not eaten for ~10 hours and do a glucose check. Start vaping at your normal pace. Check ever 30 minutes or so. See what's happening. Not a controlled study by any means, but it may give you some insight into your own physiology.
 
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