Wicker Material?

[SuperSpliff]

I'm a noob. I've been trying to do some research on the best wicker material and it seems that Pyramid Tea Bags, straws, and a couple of people using shamwow are the most popular on these forums. Also read where some people are using poly fill material, and even some using cotton, and papertowels.

I haven't went shopping yet, and was looking around my house to see what I could use as a wicker material and I came up with some disposable face covers made up of 25 GSM Spunbound White (latex free). Now, I have no idea what in the hell 25 GSM Spunbound is, but it seems to be spun fabric.

Would anyone have a clue wether or not this would be a viable material to use as wicker material? These disposable face covers are used by massage therapists on the face cradle of a massage table or chair.

I guess my main concern is will it burn? If you're wicker material burns is it visible or can you only tell by the taste?

Sorry about the noob questions but my only experience with PV is the crappy Blu version I returned and the 510 I recieved today (which I totally love!)

Any and all input would be most appreciated. Just be nice to the noob!

 

[rhoneil]

Hey,

I too started out with BluCigs. Live and learn.
After getting a 510 and looking into this forum I also looked around the house and wandered RiteAid other stores looking for whatever I can for my new toy especially what I can use to wick/ fill my 510 carts. I have tried many things this is what I found.

I tried things that I thought would 'wick' well. Things that, like a candle liquid wick, would bring liquid to the bridge of the atty. I looked at some liquid candles and the material it used looked like shoe laces. Made sense, I thought, long strands that would just shoot liquid up to where ever you want, right? I even tested it with grape juice. Cut a piece of new shoe laces and dipped one end in and sure enough the grape juice traveled about an inch up the material almost immediately and about 2 inches after a few seconds. So I tried it in a cart. It worked ok for a little while but then I realized that the laces did not want to give up any more juice. It just absorbed it.

In contrast, material like PTB can hold liquid and easily let it go. So I started using some PTB mods, folded, frayed, and shredded. Then I saw someone using whats called a PTB plug. Basically using PTB, cut it in half, rolling it one way then the other to make a cinnibun-type thing to plug the end of a cart. This leaves the rest of the cart to fill with juice. Because of the properties of PTB material that I found from my other experiments I thought this would be a good idea.

Unfortunately I was not able to do it like he was. So I tried what I call the Loose PTB Plug. Basically using the same theory as the original plug but simply folding it in a way that it will plug the cart but not too hard to put it. This way i can easily make one, easily remove it, clean and replace. I was satisfied with my grape juice tests, making sure that they would not leak, so Im using that now in about 4 carts. I sill have 100 prefilled carts (dont ask) so im using them too. But I think Im done modding carts for now.

hope this helps
happy not-smoking

rho

 

[nubee]

I'm finding a hybrid of the polly fill with a cover of PTB working very well.

The poly holds good fluid amounts and the PTB cover against the atty gives great wicking without polly getting all caught up.

 

[Kent C]

I'm finding a hybrid of the polly fill with a cover of PTB working very well.

The poly holds good fluid amounts and the PTB cover against the atty gives great wicking without polly getting all caught up.

This actually sounds like a good idea to me. I read the whole earlier thread on fillers.


From a post by kaeo773 a supplier:

I read the user manual at royalsmoker for the m401

RoyalSmokers | CT-401| www.Royalsmokers.com

at the bottom of the page.

It says " If you take a
look in side the cartridge, you will see another container with a wet piece of polyester wool, which is
where the nicotine solution is stored. (Polyester wool is used in fish tank filters, so if you need more you
can buy some at a pet shop)"

So the filler is polyester. As is fluval - ie. same thing.
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From ISAWHIM:

The Polyester (Polyethylene terephthalate) is fine, the melting point is 260C or 500F. If it burns the byproduct is carbon dioxide (CO2) and water (H2O). If not burned, just over-heated... it produces small levels of *acetaldehyde (CH3CHO) or (MeCHO) {C2H4O} which can produce an off-taste.

So polyesther is Polyethylene terephthalate.
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Metapuff emailed Lipton:

Here's the response from Lipton:

Hi Kathryn,

Thank you for writing.

The translucent Pyramid tea bag is made of PET, the same food grade
material clear water and juice bottles are made of. As with any plastic, it would not be considered biodegradable. PET is completely safe and is 100% recyclable within the plastics waste stream.

We hope that this information is helpful.

Your friends at Lipton.

So PTBs are made of PET. And PET stands for Polyethylene terephthalate, which is polyester, which is the same stuff as the OEM filler and fluval. *

Burning either should get the exact same taste and effect.

*re: the 'bulk PTB material' site:
The 'nylon mono mesh' is a common generic name for mesh made of polyester, although there was one site that stated it used 50% nylon and 50% polyester 'for a nylon mono mesh' - but not for teabags and Lipton said 100% PET.

 

[imogene]

The translucent Pyramid tea bag is made of PET, the same food grade
material clear water and juice bottles are made of. As with any plastic, it would not be considered biodegradable. PET is completely safe and is 100% recyclable within the plastics waste stream.

Disappointing news. PET isn't safe. Ever heard of BPA, otherwise known as bisphenol-A? They've discovered that when water is heated in PET, the PET leaches BPA into the water which disrupts hormones in human beings. Almost every industrialized country has passed a law forbidding companies from making baby bottles from the stuff (we're last of course to jump on that bandwagon). It's supposed to be fine for "cold liquid" usage or cold dry foods, but you're supposed to stay away from heating ingestibles in it. That would include inhaling steamed eliquid from a PET filter.

Darnit, and I thought I found a temporary solution in my search for the perfect "fiber particle free" filter.

 

[imogene]

Not allowed to post links yet, so here's a quote from ABC Science News:

Water bottles made from PET plastic leach compounds that mimic the hormone oestrogen raising questions about their safety, say German researchers.

Previous research has focused on plastics containing the chemical bisphenol-a (BPA). During that time regular PET plastic water bottles have maintained a reputation as safe, at least as far as human health is concerned.

But new evidence suggests that PET, or polyethylene terephthalate, may not be so benign after all.

Scientists at Goethe University in Frankfurt found that estrogenic compounds leach from the plastic into the water.

 

[imogene]

Oops, just re-read it. PET DOESN'T contain BPA, but it contains a DIFFERENT hormone imitating substance.

See why I seek my holy grail of a plastic free ecig that's doesn't look like a ray gun from a 1950s movie?

 

[justrubl]

the following is a quote from The Safety of Polyethylene Terephthalate (PET)



In a report on PET for food packaging applications issued in July of 2000, ILSI summarizes the large body of test data that demonstrates the safety of PET resins and compounds for food and beverage containers:

“PET itself is biologically inert if ingested, is dermally safe during handling and is not a hazard if inhaled. No evidence of toxicity has been detected in feeding studies using animals. Negative results from Ames tests and studies into unscheduled DNA synthesis indicate that PET is not genotoxic. Similar studies conducted with monomers and typical PET intermediates also indicate that these materials are essentially nontoxic and pose no threats to human health. . . . It is important to stress that the chemistry of compounds that are used to manufacture PET shows no evidence of oestrogenic activity. There is a significant body of evidence that demonstrates that the use of PET is not a concern and is perfectly safe in this respect.”4​

 

[Kent C]

the following is a quote from The Safety of Polyethylene Terephthalate (PET)



In a report on PET for food packaging applications issued in July of 2000, ILSI summarizes the large body of test data that demonstrates the safety of PET resins and compounds for food and beverage containers:

“PET itself is biologically inert if ingested, is dermally safe during handling and is not a hazard if inhaled. No evidence of toxicity has been detected in feeding studies using animals. Negative results from Ames tests and studies into unscheduled DNA synthesis indicate that PET is not genotoxic. Similar studies conducted with monomers and typical PET intermediates also indicate that these materials are essentially nontoxic and pose no threats to human health. . . . It is important to stress that the chemistry of compounds that are used to manufacture PET shows no evidence of oestrogenic activity. There is a significant body of evidence that demonstrates that the use of PET is not a concern and is perfectly safe in this respect.”4
​

Thanks for that link. While they say inhaled I'm wondering if there is any change that takes place when melted then inhaled. Sometimes 'inhaled' means that those that work in the making of a substance, have not had any hazardous effects, etc. etc. Still this is a positve report.