Wick's thermal capacity?

[Commie]

I apologize in advance, english is not my first language, so I'm not sure about my physics terms

Anyway, I've noticed that most my SS wicks taste like they could use more voltage on the first hit. If I keep the button down, they start producing more vapor and taste just fine.

That leads me to believe that wicks with lower thermal capacity would do better. Cotton or silica would be great, but I'm on a quest to try to avoid them. Silica due to possible health hazards, and cotton just cause I keep forgetting to squonk and burn my wicks.

So, I wonder, for bottom feeders where wicking speed is generally not important, should I try to go for thinner SS wicks with more compact coils?

Has anyone else encountered this?

 

[pdib]

Look at this ↑. Six months ago, Commie's daydreaming about today. Nice little micro-coil and some xc-116 (1/32)? (hmmmmm the beginnings of/visions of the future?)

 

[Commie]

116 And thanks! Is there 132? I think that would be interesting -- smaller coil, should still wick fast enough

 

[Kevin Brown]

In a laymans porosity theory and actual relation to suction nothing should beat a ceramic wick

nextel is a ceramic fibre im convinced it is the best wick material by all the pro's now recommending it

Thermal capacity:

Steel, Stainless (°C)1510
Nextel™ ... Melting Point. °F. (°C). 3272

its really not even a question of these guys advice
looks like nextel ... in wicking materials

It will burn only the juice nothing else and last forever
that has to be so clean a flavor it makes madness
in cooking nothing cooks like good ceramic

as a heat sink -- you gotta have your gear dialed in
that makes it a pro use wick -- it needs watts and plenty of them
so I understand why the skinny wicks are bests at my level

woot

 

[pdib]

Well, the names the vendors are using are misleading. I think you have 1/32. XC-116 is 3mm OD. Then, bigtex started selling what he calls XC-116(1/32) which is 1.5mm OD. That is the stuff we can wrap a 1/16 ID micro and just eek-fit the wick into it. (I think that's about the size you've been doing, yes?)

 

[pdib]

In a laymans porosity theory and actual relation to suction nothing should beat a ceramic wick

nextel is a ceramic fibre im convinced it is the best wick material by all the pro's now recommending it

Thermal capacity:

Steel, Stainless (°C)1510
Nextel™ ... Melting Point. °F. (°C). 3272

its really not even a question of these guys advice
looks like nextel ... in wicking materials

It will burn only the juice nothing else and last forever
that has to be so clean a flavor it makes madness
in cooking nothing cooks like good ceramic

as a heat sink -- you gotta have your gear dialed in
that makes it a pro use wick -- it needs watts and plenty of them
so I understand why the skinny wicks are bests at my level

woot

Have you tried it yet, Kevin?

 

[Commie]

Well, the names the vendors are using are misleading. I think you have 1/32. XC-116 is 3mm OD. Then, bigtex started selling what he calls XC-116(1/32) which is 1.5mm OD. That is the stuff we can wrap a 1/16 ID micro and just eek-fit the wick into it. (I think that's about the size you've been doing, yes?)

Unfortunately, mine is 1/16. I stick an 18 gauge needle inside before wrapping it, and it comes out about 3mm or slightly bigger in diameter. The coil looks to be slightly larger diameter than my usual "wrapped around a toothpick" setup.

Wish it was thinner, but this works great still. 4 days, 15ml of juice, haven't had to even dryburn it. Still tastes nice and fresh

 

[pdib]

Well then, maybe you don't have this? . . . .1/32 XC-116 Ceramic Wick Kiln Treated – Big Tex Vapor

hard to tell, from our different ways of measuring. Oh, one way to tell is the little stuff keeps it's shape when you cut it. The fatter stuff goes "poom" and instantly unbraids for ~1/2"

I just wrap a coil on a 1/16 drill bit, and wet the nextel with juice, and squirrel, push, twist it through

 

[Commie]

XS-116 Silica Sleeving - Kidney Puncher
This is where I got it. It didn't "poom" out when cut, but that was after torching it.

 

[Kevin Brown]

Have you tried it yet, Kevin?

NO sir its next up on list
I have enough ss mesh to have a rba party -- meh'
seems warped to now have to go here, and I have to!
but the SS enterprise is running low on gas

I make a static purchase once a month so this will be month after next purchase
yes 2 months, they are already covered in what buy for my budgets

after big tex there ill be sadness no other thingys to buy
until wick is, are, another-- which looks like not gonna happen
and I just mastered ss mesh woot

 

[pdib]

XS-116 Silica Sleeving - Kidney Puncher
This is where I got it. It didn't "poom" out when cut, but that was after torching it.

Well, if they're saying it is 1/16 inside diameter, then you have the fatty. And the skinnier stuff, you have yet to try!

 

[Kevin Brown]

Did some research on Nextel

It is not safe use in an e-cig
It is safe use in an e-cig

When silicone is burned in air or oxygen, it forms solid silica (silicon dioxide) as a white powder, char, and various gases. The readily dispersed powder is sometimes called silica fume.

The molecules in silica are so weak that the e juice - flavoring etc break down its chemistry when used as a wick

I previously had done a nextel sleeve test
I used it as a sleeve for a ss wick, when it was dirty I burned it white hot
it crumbled and dusted into sandy particles
I had no idea it was nextel-- it was

The chemistry goes as this:

Synthesis


Silicon dioxide (silica), used in the manufacture of all silicones.
Silica (silicon dioxide), common in sandstone, beach sand, and similar natural materials, is the initial material from which silicones are produced; silica is also widely used in producing glass. Silicones are synthesized from chlorosilanes, tetraethoxysilane, and related compounds.
In producing the silicone PDMS, the starting material is dimethyldichlorosilane, which reacts with water as follows:
n Si(CH3)2Cl2 + n H2O → [Si(CH3)2O]n + 2n HCl
The polymerization typically produces linear chains capped with Si-Cl or Si-OH (silanol) groups. Under different conditions the polymer is a cyclic, not a chain.[1]
For consumer applications such as caulks silyl acetates are used instead of silyl chlorides. The hydrolysis of the acetates produce the less dangerous acetic acid (the acid found in vinegar) as the reaction product of a much slower curing process. This chemistry is used in many consumer applications, such as silicone caulk and adhesives.
Branches or cross-links in the polymer chain can be introduced by using silane precursors with more acid-forming groups and fewer methyl groups, such as methyltrichlorosilane. Ideally, each molecule of such a compound becomes a branch point. This process can be used to produce hard silicone resins. Similarly, precursors with three methyl groups can be used to limit molecular weight, since each such molecule has only one reactive site and so forms the end of a siloxane chain. Modern silicone resins are generally made using tetraethoxysilane, which reacts in a more mild and controllable manner than chlorosilanes.

This is why most use of e-cig items are considered disposable this research has been done already.

The silicon/wick is rated at units of time use---

genius

apparent dangers Will Robinson

 

[Commie]

That is correct. You can heat up any wicking material to the point of destruction. White hot is too hot. Red hot is good for nextel, and too hot of regular silica. My understanding is that nextel's destruction temperature is higher than that of Kanthal. So your coil will pop without damaging the wick.

 

[pdib]

I'm not trying to make a wick last "forever". All my wicks are disposable. 1-2 weeks per. Powders and dusts and bumblebees all have a really hard time flying around when they are saturated with viscous liquids.


and, once again, it comes down to common sense. As we address, adjust, admire our wicks, it is plain to see when they are no longer as vibrant as we would like. So we change them out.

 

[Kevin Brown]

It's gaining popular and needs a sticky written

I wanna try it worse now, lol

oh man the flavor

Its best to be knowledged beforehand

pdib ya know common sense isn't common..

 

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XS-116 Silica Sleeving - Kidney Puncher
This is where I got it. It didn't "poom" out when cut, but that was after torching it.

You've got Silica listed there, the ceramic sleeve is XC, the silica is XS.

 

[pdib]

yeah, hey! (duh, me) what ARE you vapin'?

 

[Commie]

You've got Silica listed there, the ceramic sleeve is XC, the silica is XS.

@#$@#@@!

What did I buy? And why does it vape so well?

 

[pdib]

Hey, man, I've got 10' of 2mm "nextel" I'm looking to get off my hands. Wanna buy?








(no . . . . its not cheap silica)

 

[Commie]

Now I'm on the mission to find out the difference. Cause it does not taste or act like my normal silica. It bends better without fraying, wicks much better, and generally tastes (I think) better.