Will Batteries Be Next?

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sofarsogood

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Of these, only flashlights use loose 18650s. Power tools and EVs use protected, sealed packs of batteries.

The CPSC could indeed decide that loose li-ion cells are too dangerous to sell to the public, but I don't see that happening imminently.
There are an infinite number of things that might happen. How about don't be a scare monger.
 
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People have told me that with respect to mods and nic base too. :blink:
We're expecting hardware to be restricted next May. I wonder if they can do that if it can also be used for THC, CBD, etc. That's a legal question I can't answer. Whether or not they can or will restrict access to nic is the most interesting question. Fortunately it's inexpensive and has a long shelf life. I don't have an idea about their authority and/or intentions for nic. May be one of the nic suppliers knows about that. What muddies the water for me is the interests of the American vape "industry" which seems to consist of retail shops and juice makers. I rarely go to a vape shop and don't buy pre-mix. They way they are being treated in Michigan and NY is way beyond outrageous. It's time to lawyer up and hope for the best.
 

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Batteries are not going to be banned. They are used for lots of things other than vaping. The FDA has no control of batteries anyway
The FDA does have control over battery devices used for vaping. They could ban new battery devices that use loose chargable batteries if they decide they are more dangerous than nonremovable internal batteries.
 
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The FDA does have control over battery devices used for vaping. They could ban new battery devices that use loose chargable batteries if they decide they are more dangerous than nonremovable internal batteries.
I would assume that no device using loose, replaceable li-ion batteries will get a PMTA approval. But this doesn't matter to many of us here; we've got the devices. The worry is the future availability of batteries for them, and it's not practical to stock up a lifetime supply of them either, since they degrade with age, even if not used. However, I really do not think that the FDA can ban those batteries; it's just not in their purview. The CPSC would have to do that.
 

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Not sure either but since THC is illegal on the Federal level, there is no way the FDA can regulate that market. However the vape equipment used for CBD and THC is not really usable for nicotine vaping

Don't know about THC but my wife uses a regular old STM for CBD. It comes in PG and/or VG and behaves exactly like nic juice.

It's an interesting idea though. If a mod and tank were sold as CBD vaping equipment somewhere CBD was legal, which is most States, could the FDA ban it from sale.
 
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I doubt that the powers that be will go for batteries, It's impractical. Also the determined amongst us will always find a way, even if it meant hand cranked mods. They do not need to to, there are far more effective and easy ways to destroy the part of the market they are targeting.
 

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I wouldn't worry too much about the 18650 battery.
There are more things than flashlights that use them loose.

The Medical side of things has exploded (ha) in the use of them. All sorts of portable medical gear use them, vein viewers and digital thermometers are a couple.
I have ordered and issued radios with 18650's.

Now, granted, medical devices ARE regulated via the FDA, so, you never know.
 
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Also the determined amongst us will always find a way, even if it meant hand cranked mods.
99% of the time I'm vaping, I'm within a few feet of an AC power outlet capable supplying of over 1500 watts, or in my car, which of course has DC outlets capable of supplying 120 watts. I don't need batteries to vape; they just make it more convenient. :)
 

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Maybe he was referring to the bill that Romney is putting up that wants to also ban refillable cartridge devices in addition to flavors? That would probably include mods with built in batteries or even 18650 mods... but I am sure vendors would just sell a flashlight attachment with a 510 thread to the mods and say it is not for vaping... or at least that is what I would do.
 

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as long as I have a toaster and a washrag... I will be able to vape :)
"Better" is a subjective thing. I vape at 15-25 watts. :laugh:

Bottom line: Unless you spend a lot of time away from wall outlets or your vehicle, you don't need batteries in order to vape. A generic ATX type PC power supply has 3.3V, 5.0V, and 12V outputs. It would be very straightforward to build coils that could use those 3.3V and 5.0V outputs directly, and if you wanna get fancy, a DNA200/250 board will happily run from a 12V power supply.
 
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