Will clearos, cartos eventually become obsolete?

[jcalis1394]

I actually think they will be replaced, and gone. While people may be happy with a clearo/carto tank, once vaping evolves and RBA/RDAs become more standard and popular amongst B&M stores and whatnot, people will move on to them. Can't build a coil to save your life? Given the road B&Ms are taking, in the future you might very well be able to go to your local B&M and instead of shelling $ for pre-made coil heads, they'll rebuild your RBA/RDA for you. Say you can't/don't want to rewick a cotton based build which requires at the very least weekly maintenance, they can just make you a mesh/silica build that'll last just as much as any other pre-made silica coil.

vaping preferences are subjective, but I firmly believe (IMHO) that quality of a vape isn't. RBA/RDAs give you the edge in specific things depending on which delivery system it is, like throat hit, vapor production and/or flavor. Dripping as per say, well, I can't see that become a standard practice amongst the majority of vapers anytime soon, but things like genesis-style RBAs, Kayfuns/Aquas/Squapes/Taifuns, a REO (which has a bottle/tank that carries 3-6ml on board), etc., can very well become more and more standard in the near future. I myself still have a couple of carto tanks, some Protanks and Vivi Novas, even cig-a-likes, but I just can't vape them at all. This is in part fault of the B&Ms, here in Miami the dominating B&M (VaporShark) with a crapton of stores scattered around primarily promotes a standard eGo+clearo setup, so that's what most people use around here. If they start promoting more advanced gear, I'm pretty sure we'd see more of it.

 

[stevegmu]

*rolls eyes*

And this particular sub-forum is not a USA specific sub-forum, either. It's an INTERNATIONAL section.

Your response to Anja was rude and uncalled for, especially as your location is extremely vague in your profile. There is absolutely no way ANYONE could ferret out your location based upon 'mistake by the lake'.



~Tiger

Apparently you haven't read many of her posts...

 

[TigerLadyTX]

Apparently you haven't read many of her posts...

You would be incorrect to make such an assumption.
I stand behind what I previously wrote. Your response to Anja was rude and uncalled for. Shall I reiterate why that is so?

~Tiger

ps: my apologies to the OP for the thread hijacking. That was not my intent.

 

[Rocketpunk]

Oh, ECF...

No. As many have said, cartos, carto tanks, and clearos aren't going anywhere anytime soon. What many newer posters don't realize is that RBAs/RDA's came on the scene only a year ago. Vaping is a constantly evolving beast, and you and I as posters here represent the vast minority of vapers. The majority of vapers use ego-style batteries with clearomizers.

To look down on anyone who is desperate to quit smoking because of the gear they use means you don't get it.

RDA's and RBA's are perfect for those who are into that sort of thing. But many want ease of use. "Ease of use" can mean many things to many people, but rebuildables is not the end game for all vapers. To make such an umbrella statement is erroneous.

 

[Coldrake]

Apparently you haven't read many of her posts...

You don't like what she wrote in some other threads and you're using that as an excuse to be rude in this one? Wow.

I have to agree with TigerLadyTX, it's completely uncalled for.

I don't think clearos and cartos are going anywhere anytime soon either. I think clearos will continue to improve and advance, and cartos will move to things like the Sophia.

 

[Katya]

Lets see. Given my location is the US, I was clearly referring to vapers in Mozambique...

Your location is 'by the lake'... And this is a British forum, in case you didn't know.

 

[Katya]

In a word, no. What people want is a mix of flavor, vapor, TH, form factor, cost both long and short term, low maintenance, convenience and accessibility. I probably missed some items

You're only looking at flavor. People who work in marketing who only work part of the picture don't work in marketing too long

+1

I'm interested in all of the above--except flavor. As a matter of fact, most flavors annoy me. I dilute most of them, and I like to vape unflavored on occasion--to give my taste buds a break.

Besides, "best" of anything is indeed in the eye of the beholder.

 

[Katya]

You don't like what she wrote in some other threads and you're using that as an excuse to be rude in this one? Wow.

I have to agree with TigerLadyTX, it's completely uncalled for.

I don't think clearos and cartos are going anywhere anytime soon either. I think clearos will continue to improve and advance, and cartos will move to things like the Sophia.

And Kayfuns will come with premade coils, just like ProTanks.

Honestly, my Aspire eGo ET-S is very good in the flavor department.

Not that I care.

 

[ScottP]

Your location is 'by the lake'... And this is a British forum, in case you didn't know.

Most of the members are in the US and the servers physically sit in Canada.

 

[Katya]

Most of the members are in the US and the servers physically sit in Canada.

So????

It's still a British forum, overtaken by Yankees, with servers in Canada and many members from all over the world.

And Anja is from Germany. She just asked a simple question, "What country, please"?

Is that a reason to attack/ridicule her? I don't think so.

 

[UncleChuck]

Perhaps it is just my perception...I'd like to see a poll here on ECF as to what people use. I never purchased cigalikes. A buddy of mine bought a Blu kit and I took a couple puffs and thought,"Almost" and off to the internet it was for me. I then found a local B$M and the next day I had an Ego starter kit. That was seven months ago and I've never looked back. I'm all for as many options as possible.

A poll here, or any forum, would be very skewed. If you are on ECF you're already a very small subjection of vapers, who by nature of them seeking out an online community, are going to be more involved than your average vaper.

There are no concrete numbers, but I think most here underestimate the number of people who vape, but are fairly disinterested in vaping in general. A lot of people just see it as a way to replace smoking, maybe not even on a consistent basis (only at work, movies, indoors, etc) and the most involvement they will ever has is handing their money over at the 7-11.

Cigalikes have astounding sales numbers, and are available all over in stores. Anything past that you really have to make a personal effort to find a B&M or go online, and not that many people are as "into" the whole vaping culture has people on here are.

Kind of like smoking in general. Most tobacco sales are just cigarettes, most consumers don't really care much about the product they are using past brand names, but there is a very small subsection of tobacco enthusiasts that bring it further, which would be closer to what we on the forums are.

My answer for the OP's question would simply be that not everyone wants the same thing. I hate box mods, I'm not alone, so that rules out the Reo. Bottom fed just isn't my thing, either tank or drippers is what I prefer.

Some people only like cartos, some only like clearos. There will never be a one size fits all product, and if there was, it wouldn't be the Reo (for ever reo user I bet there is at least a couple thousand cigalike users, in one size fits all situations the minority looses out)

I understand the feeling of finally getting a good device and dialing it to the point where you are so happy with the vape you think "why isn't everyone else using this!?" but the answer to that question is, they either have no interest, or they did try it and liked something else better.

Why would people buy used toyotas and what not when you can get used BMWs and Mercs real cheap? Probably because they can't do automotive repair themselves and can't afford the bills, but for people that are handy, it's a dream come true. Everyone's wants, abilities, and turn-offs are different, so we have lots of products to fit many different people

 

[HawaiiVPR]

I actually think they will be replaced, and gone. While people may be happy with a clearo/carto tank, once vaping evolves and RBA/RDAs become more standard and popular amongst B&M stores and whatnot, people will move on to them. Can't build a coil to save your life? Given the road B&Ms are taking, in the future you might very well be able to go to your local B&M and instead of shelling $ for pre-made coil heads, they'll rebuild your RBA/RDA for you. Say you can't/don't want to rewick a cotton based build which requires at the very least weekly maintenance, they can just make you a mesh/silica build that'll last just as much as any other pre-made silica coil.

Vaping preferences are subjective, but I firmly believe (IMHO) that quality of a vape isn't. RBA/RDAs give you the edge in specific things depending on which delivery system it is, like throat hit, vapor production and/or flavor. Dripping as per say, well, I can't see that become a standard practice amongst the majority of vapers anytime soon, but things like genesis-style RBAs, Kayfuns/Aquas/Squapes/Taifuns, a REO (which has a bottle/tank that carries 3-6ml on board), etc., can very well become more and more standard in the near future. I myself still have a couple of carto tanks, some Protanks and Vivi Novas, even cig-a-likes, but I just can't vape them at all. This is in part fault of the B&Ms, here in Miami the dominating B&M (VaporShark) with a crapton of stores scattered around primarily promotes a standard eGo+clearo setup, so that's what most people use around here. If they start promoting more advanced gear, I'm pretty sure we'd see more of it.

I see vape shops building coils for people as a giant liability only an ambulance chaser could fully appreciate! If someone has no idea how to build a coil/mount/wick their device, I cant see how that person could safely vape not knowing how to spot potential problems or troubleshoot something simple that could possible get worse.

 

[schuff]

I see vape shops building coils for people as a giant liability only an ambulance chaser could fully appreciate! If someone has no idea how to build a coil/mount/wick their device, I cant see how that person could safely vape not knowing how to spot potential problems or troubleshoot something simple that could possible get worse.

I agree with you completely and that's why I'm so happy the vape shop I just started working for tackled that issue. We do sell rebuildables but we trash the coils the atty comes with and also do not make a coil for the customer behind closed doors.

When a person buys a rebuildable atty they are required to sign a waiver saying we are not responsible if they build a 0.2 ohm build and vent their battery. We give a consultation / building session when the atty is sold where we show them step by step how to make the coil, explain wick options and then attach it to their device. Throughout the entire sale we emphasize using the ohm meter before attaching the atty to a device and always using the provided calculator links to understand what amps / watts their current build is going to pull and line it up to their battery specs.

Now as I said we do build their first coil but they see how to do it step by step and the lowest ohm coil I could ever see leaving the store is 1.5 although most will be 2.0+. Even if someone comes in with a Kayfun already built they still have to sign the waiver and get a 2-3 minute spill including calculator links and battery spec charts.

 

[jcalis1394]

I see vape shops building coils for people as a giant liability only an ambulance chaser could fully appreciate! If someone has no idea how to build a coil/mount/wick their device, I cant see how that person could safely vape not knowing how to spot potential problems or troubleshoot something simple that could possible get worse.

Nobody is talking about sub ohms, much less below 0.3 ohms, that falls in the area of most likely an experienced hobbyist and should not by any means be made for someone who has no clue about battery safety, ohms law and rebuilding. Pre-made heads could be rebuilt as micro coils with cotton for a Protank as well and give it a huge boost in quality of the vape, and you are also assuming that people will be using those RBA/RDAs on mechanical mods. They don't have to (most likely won't), there's plenty of regulated mods out there and just as the majority of vapers at this point have not moved on to RBA/RDAs, they won't move on to mechanicals either. And then again I doubt someone who can't build a coil at all will be willing to use an RDA, most likely a Genesis or RTA.

So I fail to see what the big danger or issue is here. If a B&M store decides to do super sub ohm builds for random vapers and not explain a thing, that's a huge problem. But a store that rebuilds RTAs or even Protank/Nautilus/etc. heads, in the safe range of 1.5-3.0 ohms, ready to be filled and vaped and nothing else where people mostly use eGo style batteries, twists, or VV/VW devices, I fail to see the problem.

 

[PhatRon]

I don't think that cartos and clearos will be rendered obsolete. Some people just don't have the interest to rebuild coils. They are perfectly content with purchasing a new head to insert in their clearo or a whole new disposable one. With that they are also content for using a whole new carto once it starts going junky to them. I know a couple of people who swear by cartotanks and if that keeps them off the traditional tobacco cigarettes then I don't slam them for not using a RBA. I personally do use a RBA most of my time when I am at home or if I am at a friends house and I don't mind dripping. I do still use my PT2 to take to work because it hold just the right amount of liquid for when I am there and it is just easier to take a hit every once in a while. For the convenience factor I don't see them ever going out of production. Also if you introduce to a friend who smokes or a complete stranger who is a smoker something that they have to spend time learning how to wrap a coil, test it to make sure there are no shorts, and tell them that they have to make sure they wick it correctly, and tell them to make sure that they don't let their wick go dry (if dripping) then they may be turned off by the amount of "stuff" they have to do in order to get them off of cigarettes. I do see rebuilding coils and dripping as being a superior vape compared to clearos and cartos IMO but to someone who is accustomed to just pulling out a cigarette and lighter out of their pocket and lighting the cigarette, it seems way too complicated to tell them to start out with rebuildables. You never know though, that's why I carry around something like my PT2 when I know I am going to be around other people because if they want to try it out, I just pop on one of those drip tip condoms and tell them to press the button and inhale the vapor. If they are satisfied or inquire about how to use it I show them how to fill the tank and remind them to let the wicks saturate and then they are good to go.

But that is just my experience with introducing vaping to smokers and everyone is different so all in all that is just my Two Cents on this topic.

BTW I did not read most of the other replies to this thread so what I said may have been already covered and addressed. All in all everyone enjoy their vape and be happy that you are not a smoker anymore, you are a Vaper!

 

[HawaiiVPR]

Nobody is talking about sub ohms, much less below 0.3 ohms, that falls in the area of most likely an experienced hobbyist and should not by any means be made for someone who has no clue about battery safety, ohms law and rebuilding. Pre-made heads could be rebuilt as micro coils with cotton for a Protank as well and give it a huge boost in quality of the vape, and you are also assuming that people will be using those RBA/RDAs on mechanical mods. They don't have to (most likely won't), there's plenty of regulated mods out there and just as the majority of vapers at this point have not moved on to RBA/RDAs, they won't move on to mechanicals either. And then again I doubt someone who can't build a coil at all will be willing to use an RDA, most likely a Genesis or RTA.

So I fail to see what the big danger or issue is here. If a B&M store decides to do super sub ohm builds for random vapers and not explain a thing, that's a huge problem. But a store that rebuilds RTAs or even Protank/Nautilus/etc. heads, in the safe range of 1.5-3.0 ohms, ready to be filled and vaped and nothing else where people mostly use eGo style batteries, twists, or VV/VW devices, I fail to see the problem.

I'm just rambling if I were a vape store owner; my policy would be no rebuilding, sub ohm or not. In todays environment of entitlement babies, you can never be too proactive in trying to reduce the odds of getting sued.

As a consumer, sure, that would be great to have the option of getting a nicely re-built Kanger head vs the factory head, no argument there.

As for Schuff's employer requiring a waiver (wont hold up in court, but at least it makes people a bit more mindful about what they are doing) and taking the time to teach safety is definitely a step in the right direction. Not many B&M's I've visited do that, so I suspect its only a matter of time before you see a thinning out of shops once the trial lawyers get wind of this industry to cash in on.

Again, I'll use the analogy of a gun store; you wont find any that would be willing to re-load a hot round for a new gun owner to try out, waiver or not. They may teach you the basics of reloading, but they wont do it for you, at least not in any that I have been to.

 

[yolo_]

I mean, with devices like the REO that makes dripping so easy, why else would anyone want a clearo or carto that doesn't produce good flavor?

I still use cartos sometimes on my Reo. I like the flavor even though my fav is the RM2 but there are times i just want the convenience. I don't think cartos will ever be obsolete.

 

[edyle]

I mean, with devices like the REO that makes dripping so easy, why else would anyone want a clearo or carto that doesn't produce good flavor?

When the REO feed system can attach to a regular mod.

 

[EleanorR]

So????

It's still a British forum, overtaken by Yankees, with servers in Canada and many members from all over the world.

Ahem.

I, madame, am no damn Yankee. (Points to signature line below )

 

[tj99959]

There's just to damn many different sized feet in this crowd