Will higher wattage and lower nicotine help with quitting

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I'm trying to make progress on the analog to vaping switch. I stopped at a new vape shop this morning, explained my lack of satisfaction and desire to quit analogs. The first thing out of his mouth was, "you need a different device". Oh, not again. No more devices.

Once we got that out of the way, he suggested raising the wattage, changing the coil and tightening the air flow, (I'm MTL). In his experience, many people need more vapor and less nicotine to find satisfaction. Does anyone out there agree with that logic?

BTW, I have a device for that. I have lots of devices.

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Well, Jiggs, those are just *suggestions*. I think if you want more clouds/vape and lowered nicotine you could try that out in a sub-ohm tank. I didn't find that to be helpful.... But I vape 20 mg in a MTL device, and that's what worked for me.

Are there particular times of day/issues where you are finding it almost impossible to smoke? What have you tried already? I have some thoughts but will hold off on them until I know exactly what you've tried already/when vaping is getting hard for you, etc.

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There are so many variables to vaping today that it may seem a bit overwhelming to find what works for you. Hang in there and try different things until you feel good with a setup, ejuice and nicotine level that will keep you from wanting to smoke. Also, many duel used before quitting the sticks including myself.
 
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In his experience, many people need more vapor and less nicotine to find satisfaction. Does anyone out there agree with that logic?

No, I don't agree with that logic.
Next question.

(only kidding)...

The word 'many' is hard to pin down. Some people prefer more vapor from day one and they enjoy the aspects of that sort of vaping. Whatever works is good really.

Either way, Nicotine and PG is what gives the throat hit which is so missing in the modern devices and juices. (i.m.o)
Vaping lower Nic and higher VG (understandably, to avoid harshness & make cloud) is unlikely to be the MODE average for transitioning from smoking to vaping. That's because for every sub-ohm hobbyist vaper there are many times more who just buy a plain/simple e-cig with what we consider 'higher' Nicotine and start vaping.

You see... it's that word again - 'many'.... kind of misleading.
 

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I think you need more nicotine. Nicotine is the drug we're addicted to. It provides the sensation we crave. I think you need more cloud and more nicotine. I personally use 25mg vaped on a .5 coil, which provides a fabulous sensation and as big a cloud as I could possibly want. It seems impossible to find a commercial juice with anything over 6mg these days but luckily I mix my own. That's my diagnosis, so good luck and I hope you find a combination that allows you to quit the cancer sticks.
 

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Everyone is different. When I started out. I decided to stop smoking and not go back. That I think helped. I also started with high levels of nicotine on devices that didn't put out lots of vapor. The nicotine in 36 mg or above stopped the cravings and after a week or so I was able to lower it to 24mg then 18mg.

After that I went with Kanger subtank and 9 mg nicotine. Lots of vapor and too much nicotine as it made me very dizzy. I cut back to 6 mg and everything was fine for me.

I have since stepped up the vapor a little more and cut to 3mg. Works for me
 

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As said everyone is different, I can only speak to my experience.
My first "real" ecig setup was high nic mtl. It helped me cut back but still dual used.
Once I switched to lower nic and higher vapor production I was able to switch fully. I don't really consider myself a cloud chaser but it's like I need to fill my lungs to get satisfaction. Kind of hard to describe it i guess, it works for me but may not for you.
 

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Well, Jiggs, those are just *suggestions*. I think if you want more clouds/vape and lowered nicotine you could try that out in a sub-ohm tank. I didn't find that to be helpful.... But I vape 20 mg in a MTL device, and that's what worked for me.

Are there particular times of day/issues where you are finding it almost impossible to smoke? What have you tried already? I have some thoughts but will hold off on them until I know exactly what you've tried already/when vaping is getting hard for you, etc.

Anna
This has been a multiple year trial. Let me condense it as much as possible. My shortest experience, not even worth explaining is DL. Hated it from day 1. Gone. I have Kanger dual coil tanks, ego batteries, 2 Vaporesso Target Minis (2 of my favorites), Vaporesso Drizzle, Joyetech Ego one mini, Ego one V2. There are many more in storage, waiting for an eBay listing. I just ordered 0.6 ohm coils for MTL which is recommended for the Vaporesso Target mini. I have a few subohm, but have no need for higher wattage. My favorite tank is the Aspire mini. Have several of those. I'm the Imelda Marcos of vape devices.

I'm a Marlboro Light smoker and my juices usually are 12mg, 50/50, 1-1.2 ohm coils, 10-11W as recommended by coil manufacturers. I've settled on 50/50 after many trials. Higher VG has too little of a throat hit. I've gone as high as 18mg, but it's too harsh on the throat and causes constant coughing. My juices are fruit and coffee/espresso.

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Everyone is different. When I started out. I decided to stop smoking and not go back. That I think helped. I also started with high levels of nicotine on devices that didn't put out lots of vapor. The nicotine in 36 mg or above stopped the cravings and after a week or so I was able to lower it to 24mg then 18mg.

After that I went with Kanger subtank and 9 mg nicotine. Lots of vapor and too much nicotine as it made me very dizzy. I cut back to 6 mg and everything was fine for me.

I have since stepped up the vapor a little more and cut to 3mg. Works for me
What pg/vg ration?
 

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As said everyone is different, I can only speak to my experience.
My first "real" ecig setup was high nic mtl. It helped me cut back but still dual used.
Once I switched to lower nic and higher vapor production I was able to switch fully. I don't really consider myself a cloud chaser but it's like I need to fill my lungs to get satisfaction. Kind of hard to describe it i guess, it works for me but may not for you.

What device do you use? Sounds like you switched to a subohm
 

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Okay, you've tried a bunch of times, without success. I'm going to *suggest* a couple things, with the knowledge that these suggestions are what I used to TRANSITION to just nicotine. You are using a sub-ohm coil, so I'm not sure I'd recommend going UP on the nicotine, necessarily.

If you haven't tried WTA (Whole tobacco Alkaloids) that might be a thing to try. I did this because, no matter what I did, by about 3 p.m. I'd get a sensation like having ants crawling all over me and just wanting to *stab* something. You can find threads about it fairly easily on here about that with the search function. Sounds like you have a few tanks, so when you are DYING for a cigarette, I'd suggest loading one tank with regular juice, then adding a *small* amount of WTA juice to the other. Like half a dropperful. There are a few vendors, Aroma is the one I used, it's expensive like crazy, but not crazy like buying YET another MOD. Keep the tank with you and put a squirt of WTA (I used the straight unflavored, 24 mg, but you're using a tiny amount, and the idea is to use it when you get to THAT point), which occurred later and later in the day for me. I am slowly weaning myself, and probably won't buy more. That said, if I'm heading into say, oral surgery, LOL, that might be a time I would use some WTA juice. :)

Your other option (likely cheaper) is to try Nic Salts which more closely mimic the nicotine found in cigarettes. Less expensive and when I tried it I preferred it, so that's what I bought as my Big Nic Stash. A little more expensive, but since I don't vape MORE of it than other forms of nicotine, *I* feel fine with it. I still enjoy regular juice, it's just that this is my preference. Again, maybe try ordering a small bottle and my thought is you might be able to go higher on the nic because it is smoother, not harsh, but you'll still get a throat hit. That might help with the transition. If you genuinely prefer it, you can certainly choose if this is your main deal, and decide to DIY with that form of nic. I think it's a personal choice.

Those are some things I can think of to *try* given that you're getting very frustrated. I was very motivated to vape and willing to do whatever it took to get there, this try around. I approached it as "Nothing could possibly be more harmful than 2--3 ppd and being told I was headed into COPD land."

Doing it in a stage fashion for me was very helpful, because my brain HATES changes. Also, I was buying expensive stuff and it motivated me further not to smoke.

Again, this is a personal choice, it's not a recommendation, but it is what worked for ME. Ppl who struggle with harshness/getting enough nic seem to do well with Nic Salts, and that was the case for me. I just really do well with them, but it should again be noted that I am taking a calculated risk by inducing those things, and continuing to use nic salts, but you have to do what works for YOU and decide if it's more or less risky than smoking.

I wish you all the best, and I feel your pain. I have a bunch of vape equipment lying around from former quit attempts going back 10 years. I'm a hard case, but the first day without smoking was liberating.

Also, look for ways to reward yourself. I didn't even know *how* to reward myself at first, I was so used to smoking as a reward. I had to sit myself down and make a list. It might be getting your car detailed after your first couple weeks, it might be buying something you coveted, it might be coming on here and boasting about your progress (LOL, I just did that earlier today :) ) starting an enjoyable activity, exercising, whatever.

Also, forget about your past attempts. I had to. I had to remind myself that *every quit is different* and that failing in the past didn't mean failing in the future. You can do this.

:)

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I think you need more nicotine. Nicotine is the drug we're addicted to. It provides the sensation we crave. I think you need more cloud and more nicotine. I personally use 25mg vaped on a .5 coil, which provides a fabulous sensation and as big a cloud as I could possibly want. It seems impossible to find a commercial juice with anything over 6mg these days but luckily I mix my own. That's my diagnosis, so good luck and I hope you find a combination that allows you to quit the cancer sticks.
I didn't think you could use 25mg with a .5 coil. What's you VG?
 

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Vaping is subjective to the "End Vaping User", there is no right way or wrong way other than to vape safely as a rule 1.

I vape in the middle between both spectrums, most days I am MTL under 12watts on a Kayfun or other such tanks with 12mg nic, and other times when I feel like it a sub-ohm vape of some sort from an RTA or RDA with 6mg or 3mg depending on the wattage. Need more cloud and less nic, sorry that statement only comes into play if the person is already sub-ohm or is switching to sub-ohm high watt vaping, it is not the only caliber bullet in the vaping market to get someone to quit. That type of blanket statement needs an Agent Gibbs brain buster slap to the back of DeNoso's head situation, JMO. If you are struggling to quit and still dual using, don't beat yourself up over it, all vape does is substitute the nicotine, there are other alkaloids and chemicals in a cigarette that are not there in vaping, and if having a hard craving it is more likely the lack of those chemicals that are causing the Jones's to need a cig.

This is about harm reduction, if you have to dual use that is just fine in my play book, decreasing your total cig usage is a major win any way you look at it.

Have to retrain your way of thinking, not every cig is a loss, every cig you do not have is a win.

GL with your journey.
 

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Once we got that out of the way, he suggested raising the wattage, changing the coil and tightening the air flow, (I'm MTL). In his experience, many people need more vapor and less nicotine to find satisfaction. Does anyone out there agree with that logic?

BTW, I have a device for that. I have lots of devices.

Thanks!

I think either he or you have it backwards. If you are MTL only, increase the nicotine, decrease the VG and get away from sub-ohm coils. Then play with the airflow until it feels right.

I was a pack-a-day smoker and this cut me back to the occasional analog. I still do a lot of MTL vaping (tootling 18mg juice in an old ProTank II on a Vamo V5; 12w, 2.0 ohms right now). It works for me.

But I also have a couple of sub-ohm tanks on mods that can go to 75w and those get 6-9mg juices. Blowing a cloud works for me, too.

You may need both styles.
 

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Okay, you've tried a bunch of times, without success. I'm going to *suggest* a couple things, with the knowledge that these suggestions are what I used to TRANSITION to just nicotine. You are using a sub-ohm coil, so I'm not sure I'd recommend going UP on the nicotine, necessarily.

If you haven't tried WTA (Whole tobacco Alkaloids) that might be a thing to try. I did this because, no matter what I did, by about 3 p.m. I'd get a sensation like having ants crawling all over me and just wanting to *stab* something. You can find threads about it fairly easily on here about that with the search function. Sounds like you have a few tanks, so when you are DYING for a cigarette, I'd suggest loading one tank with regular juice, then adding a *small* amount of WTA juice to the other. Like half a dropperful. There are a few vendors, Aroma is the one I used, it's expensive like crazy, but not crazy like buying YET another MOD. Keep the tank with you and put a squirt of WTA (I used the straight unflavored, 24 mg, but you're using a tiny amount, and the idea is to use it when you get to THAT point), which occurred later and later in the day for me. I am slowly weaning myself, and probably won't buy more. That said, if I'm heading into say, oral surgery, LOL, that might be a time I would use some WTA juice. :)

Your other option (likely cheaper) is to try Nic Salts which more closely mimic the nicotine found in cigarettes. Less expensive and when I tried it I preferred it, so that's what I bought as my Big Nic Stash. A little more expensive, but since I don't vape MORE of it than other forms of nicotine, *I* feel fine with it. I still enjoy regular juice, it's just that this is my preference. Again, maybe try ordering a small bottle and my thought is you might be able to go higher on the nic because it is smoother, not harsh, but you'll still get a throat hit. That might help with the transition. If you genuinely prefer it, you can certainly choose if this is your main deal, and decide to DIY with that form of nic. I think it's a personal choice.

Those are some things I can think of to *try* given that you're getting very frustrated. I was very motivated to vape and willing to do whatever it took to get there, this try around. I approached it as "Nothing could possibly be more harmful than 2--3 ppd and being told I was headed into COPD land."

Doing it in a stage fashion for me was very helpful, because my brain HATES changes. Also, I was buying expensive stuff and it motivated me further not to smoke.

Again, this is a personal choice, it's not a recommendation, but it is what worked for ME. Ppl who struggle with harshness/getting enough nic seem to do well with Nic Salts, and that was the case for me. I just really do well with them, but it should again be noted that I am taking a calculated risk by inducing those things, and continuing to use nic salts, but you have to do what works for YOU and decide if it's more or less risky than smoking.

I wish you all the best, and I feel your pain. I have a bunch of vape equipment lying around from former quit attempts going back 10 years. I'm a hard case, but the first day without smoking was liberating.

Also, look for ways to reward yourself. I didn't even know *how* to reward myself at first, I was so used to smoking as a reward. I had to sit myself down and make a list. It might be getting your car detailed after your first couple weeks, it might be buying something you coveted, it might be coming on here and boasting about your progress (LOL, I just did that earlier today :) ) starting an enjoyable activity, exercising, whatever.

Also, forget about your past attempts. I had to. I had to remind myself that *every quit is different* and that failing in the past didn't mean failing in the future. You can do this.

:)

Anna

Thanks Anna,

I tried Nic salts in my (2) icare units. I bought the higher level and it was way too strong, but never bought the lower level. I thought you could only use them in icare devices. Do you use them in other devices? I also tried WTA, but couldn't get info on how to use them, so they went by the wayside. How much WTA do you add to a tank? Drops or mls? Also, can I add a few drops of Nic salts to my juice tank?
 

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Vaping is subjective to the "End Vaping User", there is no right way or wrong way other than to vape safely as a rule 1.

I vape in the middle between both spectrums, most days I am MTL under 12watts on a Kayfun or other such tanks with 12mg nic, and other times when I feel like it a sub-ohm vape of some sort from an RTA or RDA with 6mg or 3mg depending on the wattage. Need more cloud and less nic, sorry that statement only comes into play if the person is already sub-ohm or is switching to sub-ohm high watt vaping, it is not the only caliber bullet in the vaping market to get someone to quit. That type of blanket statement needs an Agent Gibbs brain buster slap to the back of DeNoso's head situation, JMO. If you are struggling to quit and still dual using, don't beat yourself up over it, all vape does is substitute the nicotine, there are other alkaloids and chemicals in a cigarette that are not there in vaping, and if having a hard craving it is more likely the lack of those chemicals that are causing the Jones's to need a cig.

This is about harm reduction, if you have to dual use that is just fine in my play book, decreasing your total cig usage is a major win any way you look at it.

Have to retrain your way of thinking, not every cig is a loss, every cig you do not have is a win.

GL with your journey.

Thanks IMFIRE.

I'm the type of person who buys a bag of candy and has to eat the whole bag. Maybe dual using is too much of a temptation for me. Just a thought.
 

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I have to say that going sobohm and DL were gamechangers for me. Now I'm not talking crazy cloud competition supersubohm.
My lowest builds were .65-.7ohm @ 22-25 watts 60vg/40pg 8mg. The lungs full of thick dense vapor just had such a satisfying sensation. That said after a 4-5 months of it I've begun backing off the power again a going back above ohm just cuz I want to bring my old neglected 5-15 watt devices back outta mothballs. I currently have 1 tank built to 1.6 running 13-15 watts the others are still a .7ish but powered down to 15watts. I'm happy with both as long as the airflow is wide open and my lungs are full.
If you don't have Subohm or TC capable equipment I have some that I hope to find a good home for, just lemme know.

Edit: Duh, just saw that DL is a no go for you.
 
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Yes, you can use nic salts in most devices, to my knowledge. It's still e-juice. You could certainly add a small amount and see how that goes. You can also dilute anything too strong with either a lower level juice, or just VG/PG. I'm unaware of any tank you can't use them in.... Same with WTA, you can use a few drops, or you can use a little bit more. WTA juice usually comes in two forms... a premixed juice form with WTA in it (usually tobacco flavor sometimes others) or if you get straight WTA in PG or VG base, you could add half a dropperful or so to a tank, depending on its size. You can also mix with other juices. There's no "right" way to use them, but if you want to use them only when you get cigarette cravings, (in a seperate tank that you use only as needed) or you can put a small amount in your regular tank, decreasing it as you go.... I don't think there's a "right or wrong" way to use them as long as you aren't ODing yourself on nicotine, of course. Your bottle should tell you the nic content. That's how I used them, but as long as the nic level isn't through the roof, and you have them in "ready to use juice form" you can just try vaping them straight.

I spaced it out timewise as I didn't want to use them continually.... But, they're basically going to contain nicotine (flavoring and PG/VG if you bought a "premade flavor juice) and nicotine level, just also with some alkaloids, to mimic the MAOI effect of cigarettes.... So depending on what you have, you can try vaping it straight, or just add a little bit (which may vary, depending on what you need to start). If you have it laying around I'd definitely try it HOWEVER, it's not going to hurt you, your worst option in all probability might be that they don't do much for you. That's the case for some folks, they really helped me though...

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