Will there ever be improvement on the mini cig-alike?

[redddog]

I'm a cig-aliker. I get enough funny looks with that and couldn't imagine holding onto something bigger. Really like the 808 form factor.

My question is this:

Knowing that technology is always moving forward, is there enough interest in the 808 platform that we will see an improvement on MAH and power in that platform. Or will all the tech advances be made in the mod arena?

Just curious.

 

[thinkingaboutit]

The problem isn't people not wanting to improve them...battery technology just can't make magic.

I'm sure some day they will be better.

 

[MorpheusPA]

I totally agree with Thinkingaboutit. batteries, any battery, has a limit on how much power it can hold in a given size (its power density, in other words).

Electronics are to the point that they're extremely efficient and very small and light. They'll improve, of course, but it won't make much difference to the size and weight of your e-cig.

batteries are kind of bad at power density, actually, and the primary source of weight and size in the PV. As battery technology improves, I expect that PV size and weight will drop to produce the same amount of vapor over a charge. Development on that has been rather slow.

I also favor the 808 cig-alike in some circumstances (in the garden, on my computer, working on projects, etc.) because I can clamp it between my teeth like I used to do with a regular cig. It's a touch heavy for that and leads to a slightly achy jaw, but nothing like trying to jaw-clamp a 900 mAh Volt X2.

 

[idle]

Maybe some improvements can be made on the liquid side? Creating liquids that can perform well on lower power and voltage devices?

 

[CommaHolly]

have you considered something larger for home and save the power in your 808s for out of the house?

Smokeless Image makes the X2, an 808 threaded device with 650, 900 or 1300 mah,,,,,,,a 1300 would last you all day at home,,,if you work outside the home, a 900 should do the job at home and then you could use the smaller batts for work or out Just a thought.

 

[redddog]

Yeah, I'm actually fine with using the minis. I try to really only vape at home so it's just a matter of screwing one in when it dies. I was really just wondering because I'm getting ready to grab a couple more volt batts and I would hate to do that and then in a month or two read about the new "Mini-Max 650 MAH Volt" battery.

I'm fine with the current incarnation. Just wondering what you all thought.

 

[tommy2bad]

Yep the bottleneck is the battery. Unless technology produces a better cell we are stuck with suckie life and power in a small form factor.
Not counting the mini eGos or the Screwdriver mini which have the fat but short battery.
Intilicig have sought certification for a 45mg nic liquid, presumably to counteract the weak vapor production of cig alikes so someone is thinking around the problem.
We used to carry 20 cigs in a box now we want 1 similar sized object to do the same job,we are really quite demanding once we catch the vaping bug, bigger vapor, smaller batteries, shiney stuff. I blame Apple

 

[redddog]

Yep the bottleneck is the battery. Unless technology produces a better cell we are stuck with suckie life and power in a small form factor.
Not counting the mini eGos or the Screwdriver mini which have the fat but short battery.
Intilicig have sought certification for a 45mg nic liquid, presumably to counteract the weak vapor production of cig alikes so someone is thinking around the problem.
We used to carry 20 cigs in a box now we want 1 similar sized object to do the same job,we are really quite demanding once we catch the vaping bug, bigger vapor, smaller batteries, shiney stuff. I blame Apple

So true. More, bigger, faster (or in this case smaller).

 

[monkeybusiness]

Never felt that my 808 batteried didn't perform well enough. I think they're as good as they need to be. There's probably a lack of interest because it's not really a problem for most people.

I have three batteries though (1x mini) and if I'm away from the home for more than 24 hrs I take all three. If i needed more juice I'd just buy a charging case.

The biggest issue for me with the 808s is the quality control of the cartomizers.

 

[redddog]

Yeah, I hear ya.

I've been using the CE3s from Smokeless Image and while they take a bit getting used to (they're a little bit fussy), they're really awesome. No more burnt taste or guessing about when to refill.

You should give em a go.

 

[silversx]

i would be down for a vv ego twist style in a cig alike form factor just cuz i think it's good for when i wanna get in to some where and not be questioned if that's a pipebomb in my pocket..

but then at 4.5 volts i'd get 10 puffs out of it..

 

[monkeybusiness]

Yeah, I hear ya.

I've been using the CE3s from Smokeless Image and while they take a bit getting used to (they're a little bit fussy), they're really awesome. No more burnt taste or guessing about when to refill.

You should give em a go.

I was actually thinking of giving them a go for a while now. You've just convinced me, I'm getting seriously annoyed finding out I've got another bad batch of cartos.

 

[Kemosabe]

i envision a day where egos will be the size of KR8s, and tube mods will be the size of egos.

the great thing about technology is that its builds Exponentially. meaning new technology is used to create the next newest thing, then then That new thing is used to create the Next newest thing. im not sure if this holds true for the battery sub-genre of technology, but i suspect that it is.

 

[junkman]

The more I mess with other stuff the more I like my 510 batteries. I may just get a box and carry 10 around with me all the time. Easier and probably cheaper in the long run.........

 

[MorpheusPA]

Yeah, I hear ya.

I've been using the CE3s from Smokeless Image and while they take a bit getting used to (they're a little bit fussy), they're really awesome. No more burnt taste or guessing about when to refill.

You should give em a go.

Me, too! I have a Volt X2 at my left hand with a CE3 on it right now (and a Vision Spinner with a carto to my left...I don't believe in running dry!)

The CE3 is a bit fiddly, and I had 20% failure out of box, but the things are great. Dry hits don't seem to happen. Wicking is consistent. They just work.

I have an order of the Phoenix Reborn from GotVapes coming, a comparable system. We'll see how those work (and they're available in 808 thread from them as well as 510, or use an adapter if you prefer).

 

[njay23]

Well, the ones that are out now are better than the 808s I was using a couple of years ago. They do last a little longer and they have the 78mm batteries now too. They are sealed now too so less chance of juice getting in and destroying it. At least there has been a little improvement.
I use eGo twists now with clearos but I was actually thinking about getting a SI volt kit. I sometimes miss the cig-a-like form factor.

 

[monkeybusiness]

When I first tried vaping I had an intellicig and then a red tornado from totally wicked. The batteries all died after 6 weeks.

My second attempt, I'm into four months of constant and heavy use with two of the 808 batteries I started with in the V2 kit still going strong. So things have improved a lot IMO.

E-liquid has also got a lot better, liquid when i first tried tasted worse that chewing a cigarette ...., and I tried many, now it's delicious.

 

[radeljack]

Yep the bottleneck is the battery. Unless technology produces a better cell we are stuck with suckie life and power in a small form factor.
Not counting the mini eGos or the Screwdriver mini which have the fat but short battery.
Intilicig have sought certification for a 45mg nic liquid, presumably to counteract the weak vapor production of cig alikes so someone is thinking around the problem.
We used to carry 20 cigs in a box now we want 1 similar sized object to do the same job,we are really quite demanding once we catch the vaping bug, bigger vapor, smaller batteries, shiney stuff. I blame Apple

I blame apple for everything.

 

[AttyPops]

Yeah, like has been said numerous times above...battery tech is the key.

I've been watching it for years. I fully expected a 10x capacity improvement by now or soon. There are a number of news stories over the last 3 years talking about it in the labs. Nobody as been able to make it commercially viable. Imagine an 1800 mAh 510 or a 2800 mAh 8088. Or maybe 1/2 those figures but at 5 volts.

I secretly (?) wonder if the technologies aren't' held back by those that want to slow the development of the electric car and such. Instead, we invest stimulus money in solar companies that can't compete with China.

 

[drsocal]

I hope so... It was a three piece, now a two piece so let's cross our fingers for longer battery life!