Will TV do 100% VG (except for the flavoring)?

[bmwjen]

I've got a situation on my hands.
I've always asked for "as much VG as possible" in of my mixes...........they still come to me 50/50. I thought this was gonna be fine. Now i'm realizing that I need more like 90VG. Will TV do that?

 

[Poeia]

It's a volume thing -- in addition to the amount of space the flavoring takes, the nicotine takes up room in that one-ounce bottle. If you add enough nicotine to get the whole bottle to 48mg, that's going to use up more of the empty space than the nicotine for 12mg will use. When that's done, they can fill the remaining space with VG, PG or a combination to give you your final ratio.

The most VG available is on the page for each flavor of e-liquid at TV's site.
If you buy 48mg liquid, you can only get 10% VG (or less)
If you buy 36mg liquid, you can only get 20% VG (or less)
If you buy 24mg liquid, you can only get 35% VG (or less)
If you buy 12mg liquid, you can only get 50% VG (or less)

 

[ames001]

i'm not too sure if i'm remembering correctly (honestly it could have been another vendor but i've never visited any other vendor juice sub forums) but if i am, it was something like 8-10% flavoring for the juices. and recently, when i convinced a couple to switch that i'm friendly with, she said, "get me as high vg as you can".

for whatever reason, i phoned in that order, and talked to Geoff. his response to that request (i only asked for 40%) was something along the lines of - i'll try to get it as close to 40 as i can.

but that was at 12mg...

last time i looked at the doublers (until just now it was late last year or early this year) the max vg was 70%.. which its now been dropped to 50%

which if memory serves, is what i've seen bmwjens posts rave about, with the addition of a small amount of 100mg nic juice to 6mg


ETA: thats a good picture of 'House' I'm british, so i feel silly for not remembering his name, but i love the avatar

 

[Mr. Tasty Vapor]

Let's keep this as short as possible. VG is great for two things, drawing in moisture, and drawing in oxygen. These are two GREAT things if you also want to culture bacteria. Bacteria makes nicotine go bad quicker, MUCH QUICKER. Since we don't use additives, preservatives and bacterial inhibitors, about how long do you think it would take a primarily VG liquid to go bad?

Personally, we'd had to put in the effort and have you put in the money for liquid we KNOW would go bad, REALLY quickly.

 

[Mr. Tasty Vapor]

Best we can do around here, is 50% VG. Which is still pretty damned good.

But I have also have to wonder...Unless these cats that are supposedly making "All VG" liquids are getting a personal line on some concentrated VG based flavorings, they've GOT to be pulling your leg about "All VG" since we already know that the PRIMARY liquid in most flavorings, is Propylene Glycol. Additives and liquid sweeteners too, are diluted from the pure molecule, in guess what....Propylene Glycol.

Story there I guess is Other than this, other than that, and oh yeah, other than this other long list of stuff that does contain PG, yeah, the remainder is VG. Buyer beware.

 

[mwa102464]

Geoff,

What about companies like Natures flavoring that are organic concentrates & extracts from an all Alcohol and VG base ? I use these flavorings to DIY an awful lot and there is no PG in them and there very good in my opinion !!! I would enjoy hearing your thoughts on this as I too am a heavy VG user and have always enjoyed your liquids a bunch and have wanted a higher VG count on mine as well.

 

[Mr. Tasty Vapor]

The problem there is, that even though someone might make alcohol and VG based flavorings, doesn't necessitate that the flavors they have are on the mark in terms of being a proper flavor. The long list of recipes that we tout are all based on the flavors we've been able to gather from various vendors. These flavors TASTE like the claim on the labels.

I DO NOT want to get TONS of samples from a new vendor, pick and choose what may or may not work, then sit and rewrite an entire book of recipes based on the new flavorings specifically based on VG flavorings. Again, flavorings that might not even hit the mark in tasting good enough to call it a Tasty Vapor liquid.

I run the show here, so I know exactly what kind of work that would entail. It's a very easy suggestion to make, and an entirely different scenario ordering an entire DROVE of additional flavorings and remodeling an entire catalog of recipes just to accommodate this request.

 

[bmwjen]

Geoff,
um, I guess thanks for your answer.
I don't want to get into a debate here, & I know Geoff runs the show.
I only order doublers........then I add my own 100mg/ml nic. Now, I don't work at TV, so I don't know for sure, but i'm sort of doubting that "flavoring" that is PG based is used at the 50% level. If it IS........then that is fine. What I want is the flavoring in the bottle & then the rest to be VG. I will sacrafice taste in order to decrease the side effects of PG.

I am fully aware that ALOT of vendors say 100%VG & it's not (because their flavoring is PG based). However, I don't order from them.

The PG has become so much of a problem to me that I had to put all of my doublers up for sale today. It sucks........but I NEED to be able to sleep, & I need to live my life without my heart pounding. I would love to be able to get high VG juices (in the 80-90% range) from Tasty Vapor.

Thanks again Geoff for responding. I appreciate it.

 

[Mr. Tasty Vapor]

I didn't want to just toss a "Sorry, but No" answer out there. I was trying to offer a simple and truthful answer without elaborating on the full scope of what things would entail, but I was pushed in that direction, and so there it is. Simply put, the business model we have is not one that can or will accommodate All VG liquids. Pure, simple, honest.

The answer is no (and I have stated this so many times in so many posts, I think this is the reason I'm so impassioned about my answer here).

 

[rawrscary]

Geoff,
um, I guess thanks for your answer.
I don't want to get into a debate here, & I know Geoff runs the show.
I only order doublers........then I add my own 100mg/ml nic. Now, I don't work at TV, so I don't know for sure, but i'm sort of doubting that "flavoring" that is PG based is used at the 50% level. If it IS........then that is fine. What I want is the flavoring in the bottle & then the rest to be VG. I will sacrafice taste in order to decrease the side effects of PG.

I am fully aware that ALOT of vendors say 100%VG & it's not (because their flavoring is PG based). However, I don't order from them.

The PG has become so much of a problem to me that I had to put all of my doublers up for sale today. It sucks........but I NEED to be able to sleep, & I need to live my life without my heart pounding. I would love to be able to get high VG juices (in the 80-90% range) from Tasty Vapor.

Thanks again Geoff for responding. I appreciate it.

Are you sure it's the PG causing heart pounding and not the nicotine? I know that nicotine is what usually causes this. Never heard of PG affecting someone like that, though I guess anything is possible.

The only reason I say that is because my first order I ever placed around 2 years ago from Tasty Vapor was a 48mg bottle of juice. I wasn't aware that it was too strong to vape, and I almost didn't order again until I found out about doublers. Once I reduced it down to 18mg juice, I wasn't getting the heart pounding feeling as I was from vaping the straight 48mg flavor. Have never had an issue with it staying at 18mg and lower. If I go above to 24mg I can feel it in my body. Pretty sure it's the nicotine causing it as it is known to cause hypertension.

 

[tranced]

Here's a possible solution I think could work. Purchase a 4oz doubler for the 15.75 and ask for only the amount of flavoring that would be used to make that doubler. Assuming it's 10% flavoring, that'd be 12ml of pure concentrated TV flavoring that you could add your own vg and nic to in small batches (addresses the bacteria issue) eliminates as much pg as possible making it hypoallergenic as well, without causing the vendor to lose $$. It'd be like ordering a cheeseburer, hold the tomato. The restaurant doesn't discount the cheeseburger because you aren't getting the tomato but the consumer gets exactly what the want. This thread sorta scared me...what would I do if I couldn't get Geoff's blend? Holy crap..... how long can I store a gallon of geoff's blend in case California falls into the ocean and Geoff dies? This could be seriously bad....