winter is coming... is your e-cig ready?

[Xenogy]

VG freezes @ 62.6F

PG freezes somewhere below -55F

The main use of PG as an anti-freeze has been in commercial food processing machines due to the possibility of cross contamination with food. The results I have seen show 10-60% PG diluted with water. At the rate of 60%PG/40% water the freezing point was -55F. So needless to say the PG freezing point is somewhere probably well below -55F.

Now companies like Prestone are making a PG based anti-freeze for automobiles. It is 90-100% pure PG and PG is the active ingredient.
http://www.msdshazcom.com/WEB_DOCS/Facilities/PrestoneLowTox.pdf

 

[isande]

I live in hell, so "winter is coming" means:

1. I can actually go outside during the day again without instantly feeling my skin crackle like a chicken in a rotisserie.

2. Time to gear up for BBQ season! Woohoo!

3. More money! Yay! Since the air conditioning only runs for 10 to 12 hours each day in the winter -- rather than literally non-stop around the clock -- my electric bill goes down by $100 to $200 each month during the winter.

Winter e-cig preparations? Oh yeah. That extra money means more stocking up! Yay!

--K

 

[frankie1]

You gotta love Florida! It is the only place in the world where you have to remove clothing when you go outside! LOL

 

[vapomike]

Well I don't know about vaping outside in the cold weather. Though this is the first winter I don't have to dread getting my fix because it's so cold. I'll get too stay inside with the rest of the civilized world.

 

[nickgamble]

I will spending time in Florida during winter. So it does not matter to me much I will just order a lot of blu cigs before the demand rises.

 

[Dr. Russell Fell]

Hey Russell!! nice to see you posting again..it's been a while - you been vaping a loooong time and have lots of experience to share!!

hey misty! yeah it really has been a while. i'll do my best being a vet!

 

[HaploVoss]

I was working outdoors, overnight in Richmond, VA area last winter. it got below zero many nights, and I had my Pen Style in my front jacket pocket most all of the time. I never had any problems with it working just fine.

Just in case: That was using all MED strength factory NJoy carts.

Battery life MIGHT have been very slightly reduced but I really don't recall that, but I did have the two batteries to swap out with, and I was really busy troubleshooting, repairing, or replacing data boots. lol

Take care,
- Hap

 

[jvapor]

PG freezes at -60 degrees with a 60%PG base
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I ran into a problem with this here in Alaska because we sometimes get over 70 below. I had a 5 pack of carts get ruined because they all split from the expantion. However, I did not have any problems with my atts or batts except that the batts would not work when it got below -30 unless I warmed them up inside my gloves for a while first. Also be careful, I had an ecig stick to my lip one time.

 

[RustyTec]

Dam good thing the carts are made of plastic/rubber. I would not like a metal cart, for this reason.

 

[logivap]

Li Ion batteries are the best we have for cold. They don't drop like alkalines and nimh batteries do in the cold. They will also hold their charge. This is why it is always recommended to have Li Ion batteries in flashlights you will have in your car in the winter.

I know nothing about the e juice though.

 

[Kate51]

VG freezes @ 62.6F

PG freezes somewhere below -55F

The main use of PG as an anti-freeze has been in commercial food processing machines due to the possibility of cross contamination with food. The results I have seen show 10-60% PG diluted with water. At the rate of 60%PG/40% water the freezing point was -55F. So needless to say the PG freezing point is somewhere probably well below -55F.

Now companies like Prestone are making a PG based anti-freeze for automobiles. It is 90-100% pure PG and PG is the active ingredient.
http://www.msdshazcom.com/WEB_DOCS/Facilities/PrestoneLowTox.pdf

Please don't say that, PG VG are not the active ingredients of anti-freeze

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=+1]Ethylene Glycol Poisoning[/SIZE][/FONT]
It's Ethylene Glycol......don't mistake PG or VG for that please....PG and VG are not poisonous, toxic, or harmful in any way unless you drown yourself in a barrel of it. The toxic substance is anti-corrosion. The only differences between brands of antifreeze are the type and/or quantity of anti-corrosion additives used. Ethylene glycol never wears out but the corrosion inhibitors do. PG and VG are not toxic!

 

[Heed]

Please don't say that, PG VG are not the active ingredients of anti-freeze

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=+1]Ethylene Glycol Poisoning[/SIZE][/FONT]
It's Ethylene Glycol......don't mistake PG for that please....

You missed his point entirely -- PG is being used to replace ethylene glycol in some anti-freeze mixtures due to its low toxicity compared to ethylene glycol. In those mixtures it is the main active ingredient -- read the pdf he linked to for the ingredient list. Ethylene glycol poisoning has been an issue with dogs, for example. They lap up spilled anti-freeze and get sick or die -- PG formulations help to avoid this.

 

[Kate51]

You missed his point entirely -- PG is being used to replace ethylene glycol in some anti-freeze mixtures due to its low toxicity compared to ethylene glycol. In those mixtures it is the main active ingredient -- read the pdf he linked to for the ingredient list. Ethylene glycol poisoning has been an issue with dogs, for example. They lap up spilled anti-freeze and get sick or die -- PG formulations help to avoid this.

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Finish reading my post, I have edited it. There also is anti-corrosive ingredients in all anti-freeze. I was trying to find the chemicals, but all I could find was "anti-corrosive ingredients" they don't list them.

Still, do not confuse all these confusing names!! PG and VG are not harmful. I wouldn't want anyone using Ethylene Glycol in their PV, or leaving a puddle for their kids or pets to drink either. Still dangerous, there's about 5% of "something else" in the anti-freeze, more than likely a petroleum product for rust inhibitor. Again, could not find what that was exactly. I'll check the label on our AF when I get time. But I do note the "decreased toxicity" of the new anti-freezes, the main point is to warn people about confusing all of this with Propylene Glycol and Vegetable Glycerin USP grades. Hope between the two of us we've done that Well!

 

[Heed]

You've lost me now.

The poster didn't suggest for anyone to use ethylene glycol or a PG based anti-freeze in their vaporizer. The context of the thread is winter, freezing, etc. and he was talking about freezing points/anti-freeze properties of PG.

 

[Kate51]

Never mind, Heed, just trying to make people pay attention to terms: PG and VG Usp grade liquids are not at all harmful. Was just trying to clarify. Because the context of the post is correct, but in the context of the THREAD it suggested that PG and VG can be toxic, that's the way it struck me when I first read it. OK?

 

[ironjaw]

good questions!!!!!!!!!

 

[nebraskapuffer]

According to algore I'm afraid our juice will just vape away while sitting on the shelf.

 

[RustyTec]

PG and VG Usp grade liquids are not at all harmful. Was just trying to clarify.

I believe that PG taken intravenously, in massive quantities, can be very harmful.

Sorry Kate51 but I have never believed you to be wrong before.

BTW that is a compliment.

If you edit I will too.

 

[MaDPimP]

I've been concerned about this myself since i know my lighter acts up in cold weather. I always just kept my lighter in an inner pocket of my winter jacket for the insulationg and so it can borrow my body heat to keep warm. I suppose i will be doing the same with my vapes...

Any chance of knitting me one of those pv socks mentioned lol?

 

[wdave]

I'm not doing anything except looking forward to getting as good of throat hit outside than I do inside in the air conditioning. I've found that cold air gives the illusion of better throat hit.

If you don't believe me, then go into a cold room and take a breath of air without the ecig. Wonderful throat hit, if you ask me

Dave