[WIP] (Could Be) Best Mod Ever (Input needed)

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dragonfyre13

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First, this isn't the best mod ever. Sorry for the lie, aren't you crushed? Name is a work in progress. :D

I'd like to make it that way though, and for that I need your input. Not sure if the WIP tag is used on the forum, but it is on some others that I'm on (software mostly) so I figured I'd tag it that way here too.

My question is this. If you could describe the "perfect" ecig, what would it do? Think intelligence (temperature detection, auto variable voltage, bad atty detection, flood detection of the atty, use of 510, 801, 901 attys, etc.) Should I work off of the assumption I need two attys (increases components needed by about 30% in price) or just use one? What type of feed system should I use?

Here's what I've got so far. Builds on my (minimal) arduino experience, so that's likely what it will be built off of. Keep in mind I'm playing around at this point so this is all just conjecture unless there's interest beyond my own.

Components:
Std arduino board (not sure which one yet, depends on requirements)
1 tactile switch
1 toggle switch
3 temperature sensors (LM35)
1 digital pot (variable voltage resistor) (AD5204)
2 voltage comparators (LM339 maybe?)

Forget the reality of actually building this for a minute. There's a phrase in QA, "you are done designing not when there are no more features to add, but no more to take away". That holds true here, but I'm in the adding phase, and then I'll work on what's not achievable.

Essentially, the temperature sensors are placed where I can detect the temperature of the atty, temperature of the batteries, and temperature of the vapor. I maintain a minimum temperature of the atty (toggling from an on and off state from the toggle switch) when on, so heating up to atomize is quicker (I understand this is going to reduce life of the atty more than likely). Vapor temperature is detected as the vapor is exiting the assembly, in order to modify overall temperature if needed (if vapor is getting to hot, reduce max heat of the atty) Tactile switch is used to increase heat of the atty very much like a manual, except it's not simply an on/off. Going through the main board, it adjusts the digital pot's resistance to increase power to the atty. Digital pot setting, voltage into the pot (detected by a comparator) power out of the atty (detected by a comparator), used as variables to detect resistance of the atty (in order not to blow out an LR atty super quick, and to adjust the digital pot accordingly for a HR atty). General idea is that voltage goes up when you hit the switch, down when you release. BUT, voltage never drops off while the unit is on, just decreases to the level where there's no vaporization. Voltage only increases to the point where vaporization is occurring, however decreases if the temp gets to high where it would burn out an atty, or another component.

So general idea for those of you that didn't want to read the above is it detects the temp and power going into the atty, and adjusts power if you hit the switch to it vaporizes the juice. Vaporization happens faster not only because the atty is already heated, but the liquid is heated a bit by the atty maintaining a temp where it's kept viscus, and near the point of vaporization. a blown atty is detected as resistance increases substantially when it's blown. Constant temperature despite disparate environmental and battery conditions is maintained via software, when switch is depressed or released (High temp and low temp respectively). Security measures can be put in place to turn the unit off if it hasn't been activated in X seconds, etc. as I'm dealing with software at that point. Increased battery temperature can indicate a failing battery, thus a warning can be triggered, and charging halted (requires an extra component or two).

Where can I go from here? For example, I could make an addon (serious expense here) that syncs via bluetooth with a mobile phone, and taken mg of nic fluid, can give estimates on nic intake per hour/day/week, etc. Would be about $60-90 in parts for that by my estimate, probably not worth it. However, throwing in vacuum sensor to make an auto trigger rather than a manual, but one WAY more intelligent than the mechanical/electrical trigger system currently existant in a mod wouldn't be difficult. Use the existing temp sensors to create a cleaning cycle for the atty, wouldn't be to difficult (think self cleaning oven). This one would mostly be a software change, which brings up another point. Wouldn't be to difficult to allow firmware updates via USB given some software to do so (not a lot of development there), which would allow for downloadable updates that would give things like a self cleaning atty cycle.

I could throw in an LCD screen to give feedback, or a couple LEDs to give more minimal feedback. Dunno if this would be helpful, or what info people would care about. Could make batts replacable with various kinds and voltages, would take some creative molding of the batt compartment, but considering I'm limiting/modifying voltage prior to entering the atty, and detecting voltage coming out of the battery anyway...

So, Thoughts? Flames? Feedback? Constructive or destructive criticism?
 

dragonfyre13

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So I'm hearing easy to replace batteries, attys, waterproof casing and rubber dots supporting casing around electronics.

Long way between feedings, I'm thinking a tube feed assembly coming from a primary container. Still have to figure it out. Definately not a standard cart, doesn't store enough, not reliable enough (cheap though).

Simple, don't think I'll be able to help you there in terms of overall simplicity. I can make sure to clearly segment the parts for replacement and maintainence though.
 

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Long time between feedings can also refer to battery life. I drip and am happy with it and change flavors often, so a built in reservoir(s) or large feed capacity isn't on my radar screen. Frequent battery changes or charges is! I simply won't use anything that tethers me to a power outlet of any kind.

As far as simplicity goes, it's anything but a simple matter in some cases. My own outlook is colored by an engineering background & over 20 years of dealing with the rising tide of planned obsolescence which has led to some of the "abortions" people use every day, all the while thinking how "great" it is because of all the bells and whistles..... until it fails.... and the design costs more to repair than replace..... intentionally! The purpose is to keep the factories humming and maintain a steady stream of income to the manufacturer. That's best accomplished via unnecessary complexity.

Sorry, almost went off into a long rant. Happily, I managed to stop in the beginning stages, so it ends up being a minirant.

Modular design might be interesting. Of course, the next person to comment will probably have a completely different set of criteria. It'll be interesting to see what you come up with.
 

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Battery life, since I'm detecting and then limiting voltage via software, shouldn't be difficult. Throw in an extra battery or two, to make it a 3 or 4 battery system (adds considerable size) or change what type of battery is being used in the design and I should be able to give a good charge.

Modular design is one of the things I'm struggling with now. In terms of things failing, on a standard pv, you've got the atty, battery, and cart. On this you've got the atty, batteries, cart, and mainboard/sensors. Mainboard I'm not sure how I'll make it swappable, thinking that might be a replacement if it goes out, unless someone wants to replace it themselves. Thus the extra protection surrounding it mentioned above.
 

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Sounds like it is going to be the size of a house with everything you want in it, my only word would be to shrink it so its as small as you can get the thing, I mean tight tolerances using tweezers to install parts not fingers and darn small tweezers at that, if you build this it sounds really cool and I want the very first one available OK, HAHAHA
 

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Battery life, since I'm detecting and then limiting voltage via software, shouldn't be difficult. QUOTE]

Software you say??? I've been waiting for some enterprising individual to put a stamp or some kind of PLC in an e-cig. To me it's overkill, but nothing exceeds like excess! Yep, I think it's gonna be real interesting to see what YOU come up with!

And yes on the battery life being critical (for me). Lots of other things are negotiable. But you might be better off ignoring me. I would take a pair of syringes tossed by a junkie and a discarded condom wrapper and try to make an e-cig if I thought it would work.
 

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I would take a pair of syringes tossed by a junkie and a discarded condom wrapper and try to make an e-cig if I thought it would work.
Dang, there goes my idea, now everybody will think I stole it from you... heh...

dragonfyre: Sounds to me like you have some really good ideas so far. I'm very interested to see what you come up with and how much it costs in parts... Personally, I'm with Nobody on the juice feeder, I haven't used one and have pretty good luck with switching between cartos and dripping, depending on my needs... But like Nobody said, that's just me, and juice mods seem all the rage right now. I won't say I wouldn't try one....
 

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Ooo... Ooo... Ooo.... Dragon: What I really want to see in a PV is a batt indicator, like a cell phone, a series of leds or an lcd that estimates the actual remaining batt time... So I know if I need to take an extra batt with me or not b4 I walk out the door... Just a thought....


Reyth: the standard joye 510 PT has an inline 10440 batt, and there are a couple of threads talking about building, or buying off the shelf, a batt pack to power PTs on the go (using mine right now), but dragonfyre was talking about a ground up PV build. Unless I missed something I don't understand the connection....
 

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Reyth: the standard joye 510 PT has an inline 10440 batt, and there are a couple of threads talking about building, or buying off the shelf, a batt pack to power PTs on the go (using mine right now), but dragonfyre was talking about a ground up PV build. Unless I missed something I don't understand the connection....
Yes I was wondering about the PCC capability for one of those. What reminded me of it was the comment by Van Cleef about not being tethered.
 

dragonfyre13

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Ooo... Ooo... Ooo.... Dragon: What I really want to see in a PV is a batt indicator, like a cell phone, a series of leds or an lcd that estimates the actual remaining batt time... So I know if I need to take an extra batt with me or not b4 I walk out the door... Just a thought....
That's incredibly simple in this kind of setup. Thinking 5 leds, last one blinks if you hit ~5% battery left.


- Sent from my EVO
 

dragonfyre13

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You could give me any 8-10 hour eCig Battery and as long as it had a 'lifetime' Atomizer on it, I'd buy it.. as long as you kept it's price @ around $200.00. :vapor:

So I have a price estimate now, just priced everything out, should be puttingin the order mid Oct (sorry, actually have to put together money for it). Its about 125 in parts, not including a feeder assembly. I can get the price down about 25-30$ if I order from China vs us, which is what I'll do after the first one is done.

- Sent from my EVO
 
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