Wisconsin's indoor smoking ban starts Monday

[ezmoose]

The article includes a quasi accurate description of E Cigarettes and a somewhat toned down warning concerning them.

An alternative to traditional tobacco is the so-called e-cigarette, a battery powered device that uses liquid nicotine to mimic a traditional cigarette and emits a vapor but not proper smoke.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration does not regulate electronic cigarettes, but it has issued warnings about health risks associated with the devices.

 

[Vocalek]

Got a link?

 

[ezmoose]

Got a link?

Oops, my bad!

News Headlines

I'll go to my room and no vaping for one hour! lol

 

[Vocalek]

Interesting! The same story ran here (pretty much word-for-word) with a byline: Indoor smoking ban starts Monday | sheboyganpress.com | Sheboygan Press
By Scott Bauer, Associated Press.

In this story on CNBC, they didn't give the reporter a byline, but it is copyrighted Associated Press.

So we might be seeing the same story popping up in several more places, since it comes out of a national news service.

 

[ezmoose]

Interesting! The same story ran here (pretty much word-for-word) with a byline: Indoor smoking ban starts Monday | sheboyganpress.com | Sheboygan Press
By Scott Bauer, Associated Press.

In this story on CNBC, they didn't give the reporter a byline, but it is copyrighted Associated Press.

So we might be seeing the same story popping up in several more places, since it comes out of a national news service.

Indeed, but the comments vary; I find them to be the most interesting part! lol

 

[GregH]

Here's another article about this with a section about e-cigs and quotes from Dr. Miller of the ALA. I apologize if this has been posted on ECF elsewhere. I didn't immediately see it.

Statewide Smoking Ban Takes Effect Monday - Health News Story - WISC Madison

I left a comment.

 

[ezmoose]

First we have:

Doctor Michael Miller, who is with Rogers Memorial Hospital and spoke on behalf of the American Lung Association, said that chemical is not necessarily safe.
E-Cigarettes | Today's TMJ4 - Milwaukee, Wisconsin News, Weather, Sports, WTMJ | Special Assignment

Then we have:

"Nobody really knows if E-cigarettes are safe," said Dr. Michael Miller, of the American Lung Association.
Statewide Smoking Ban Takes Effect Monday - Health News Story - WISC Madison

Next up:

Dr. Michael Miller, American Lung Association Grand Poobah, said… lol

Does Dr. Miller even hold a position with the American Lung Association? It's not in his dossier:
Michael M. Miller, MD, FASAM, FAPA | Rogers Memorial Hospital

 

[harmony gardens]

First we have:

Doctor Michael Miller, who is with Rogers Memorial Hospital and spoke on behalf of the American Lung Association, said that chemical is not necessarily safe.
E-Cigarettes | Today's TMJ4 - Milwaukee, Wisconsin News, Weather, Sports, WTMJ | Special Assignment

Then we have:

"Nobody really knows if E-cigarettes are safe," said Dr. Michael Miller, of the American Lung Association.
Statewide Smoking Ban Takes Effect Monday - Health News Story - WISC Madison

Next up:

Dr. Michael Miller, American Lung Association Grand Poobah, said… lol

Does Dr. Miller even hold a position with the American Lung Association? It's not in his dossier:
Michael M. Miller, MD, FASAM, FAPA | Rogers Memorial Hospital

I don't think he has any expertise in the area of lung diseases. Rogers is a long established mental health facility which took up addiction treatment when alchohol and drug treatment came into vogue. He may be knowledgeable about the chemical processes involved with addiction, but AFAIK, there are no smoking related treatments going on at the facility. My guess is that the reporter just thought since nicotine is an addiction, that Dr Miller would be qualified to comment because of his expirience with addiction treatment, so they interviewed him.

Bottom line, Rogers specializes in psychiatric treatment and is highly respected in that field. It would have more in common with The Betty Ford Clinic than with the ALA. He's just parroting the same old stuff all the anti's do. It's all based on the hype resulting from the FDA's report.

Rogers Memorial has always been known for it's peaceful beautiful setting. I grew up in Oconomowoc, not that that makes me an expert on the current direction of the hospital, but it's always been a place for overstressed people, and never was a place for the most difficult cases. The tough cases always end up at Mendota State Hospital, near Madison.

 

[Vocalek]

So I was right to award him an "F" in science. [Ref, my comment to the Wisc Madison story.]

 

[GregH]

So I was right to award him an "F" in science. [Ref, my comment to the Wisc Madison story.]

It was a great comment! (as usual)

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[harmony gardens]

So I was right to award him an "F" in science. [Ref, my comment to the Wisc Madison story.]

All these anti's deserve an F in science, especially where ecigs are concerned. Actually, I would be much more interested in him doing a study about how people who are claiming to have public health as thier primary goal, can walk in lock step against a safer product,,, or,,, the psychological effects on an adult dealing with a repressive nanny state that is demonizing them at every turn. I would like to know if he has any opinion on how a person is supposed to react, psychologically, to being called a butthead for smoking, and when they find something that they know from thier expirience is doing them a lot of good, runs into a brick wall from the medical establishment,,,, or how they should react to a shrink that parrots this sort of BS, just to curry favor with the nanny establishment, when the patient is more sane than the doctor who's supposed to treat them??

When I was a kid, we used to joke about needing to go to Rogers, when we ran into crazy stuff like this. The irony is that nobody seems to care about the psychological impact of our battle with these fools. Maybe he should think about it a little more.

 

[Koman]

All these anti's deserve an F in science, especially where ecigs are concerned. Actually, I would be much more interested in him doing a study about how people who are claiming to have public health as thier primary goal, can walk in lock step against a safer product,,, or,,, the psychological effects on an adult dealing with a repressive nanny state that is demonizing them at every turn. I would like to know if he has any opinion on how a person is supposed to react, psychologically, to being called a butthead for smoking, and when they find something that they know from thier expirience is doing them a lot of good, runs into a brick wall from the medical establishment,,,, or how they should react to a shrink that parrots this sort of BS, just to curry favor with the nanny establishment, when the patient is more sane than the doctor who's supposed to treat them??

When I was a kid, we used to joke about needing to go to Rogers, when we ran into crazy stuff like this. The irony is that nobody seems to care about the psychological impact of our battle with these fools. Maybe he should think about it a little more.

Yeah, I agree. It's similar with ......... as well.

 

[Vicks Vap-oh-Yeah]

When I was a kid, we used to joke about needing to go to Rogers, when we ran into crazy stuff like this. The irony is that nobody seems to care about the psychological impact of our battle with these fools. Maybe he should think about it a little more.

These social forums are a slice of the psychological impact of all us vapers fighting the nanny state. It would make a great case study for the astute psychologist.

Unfortunately, I don't believe such a creature (an astute psycholigist) exists anymore. They are all more about pushing pet theories and drugs to solve the mentally deficient's issues than actually healing the minds of these people.

I had a friend at Rogers quite a while ago. She was living with the ex and I. She went voluntarily to the facility because she noted her self-destructive tendancies were getting the better of her.

She was there for a week or so, I believe. All they did was take her off one med, and put her on another...without addressing the withdrawl of the first med, and without addressing her self-destructive tendancies. When she came back to us, she was still picking the skin off the bottom of her feet (to the point of drawing blood), when she was aware enough of herself (the psyche drugs they put her on turned her into a zombie) to do so.

I dislike the psychiatric professionals for more than this reason, but it is one of my largest pointers to the crumbling of the medical field. Everything nowadays is about drugs, drugs, drugs...need the perfect little happy pill....

and that's stemming over into our PV world, as well....need drugs, drugs, drugs...provided by BP, to solve your smoking problem...NEVER MIND IF THEY DON'T WORK.....you just need 'em.

Sorry, I'll get off my soapbox, now.

 

[Vocalek]

All these anti's deserve an F in science, especially where ecigs are concerned. Actually, I would be much more interested in him doing a study about how people who are claiming to have public health as thier primary goal, can walk in lock step against a safer product,,, or,,, the psychological effects on an adult dealing with a repressive nanny state that is demonizing them at every turn. I would like to know if he has any opinion on how a person is supposed to react, psychologically, to being called a butthead for smoking, and when they find something that they know from thier expirience is doing them a lot of good, runs into a brick wall from the medical establishment,,,, or how they should react to a shrink that parrots this sort of BS, just to curry favor with the nanny establishment, when the patient is more sane than the doctor who's supposed to treat them??

When I was a kid, we used to joke about needing to go to Rogers, when we ran into crazy stuff like this. The irony is that nobody seems to care about the psychological impact of our battle with these fools. Maybe he should think about it a little more.

When I was working for a crazy-maker, I often had to do a "sanity check" with one of my co-workers. The crazy-maker boss was so convincing that she had me questioning reality.

 

[Kate51]

Vick's Soapbox Resuming: I think most propaganda lives on to harrass the ghosts of those who died of old age trying to disprove it.
After this generation, does anyone here think the 'smoking' thing is going to just go away, due to generation gap, and therefore no need to acknowledge e-cigs at all....I think that's the plan, I doubt it will work.
Trouble is, Vicks Vap-Oh-Yeah, in order for any psychologist to be worthy, they must adhere to accepted science in order to belong to the Association! Pretty much leaves out understanding addictions. You stop, you're done now, that's all there is!
I've asked this question before, does anyone know where they published to Clinical Trials for Addicts. I can't find any stats on how long an addiction lasts before you can forget about it.
Someone said the other day, Quitting Smoking is one thing, forgetting to smoke is quite another.

 

[harmony gardens]

Just because I get a little antsy when I don't have some nicotine for a while, gees,,, is that so wrong??? lol

Well, seems like we all agree,,, shrinks are best avoided. Vape, vape, vape,,,,

One little detail they missed, is that the ban doesn't effect ecigs. AFAIK, we're free to vape in bars,,, so no matter what these nuts say, there is nothing banning them right now.

BTW, anyone in Wisconsin who hasn't joined our Wisconsin Vapers Group, Behind the Cheddar Curtain, fire off a pm to Vicks for an invite,,,,

I'd pay money to see Vocalek with a cheesehead hat on. Now that would make me smile.

 

[Vocalek]

Well, I used to live a lot closer to WI than I do now--Lakeville, MN. Had to drive through WI to visit Mom in Cleveland. My boys loved Wisconsin Dells.

 

[Scottbee]

One little detail they missed, is that the ban doesn't effect ecigs. AFAIK, we're free to vape in bars,,, so no matter what these nuts say, there is nothing banning them right now.

Although it is a fact that e-cigs aren't covered by the ban (verified by the Lieutenant Governor)... it is still up to the establishment owner. And many of them are going to ban e-cigs as well since the general public is uneducated and tend to "freak" when they see vapor.

Sad but true.

 

[harmony gardens]

Although it is a fact that e-cigs aren't covered by the ban (verified by the Lieutenant Governor)... it is still up to the establishment owner. And many of them are going to ban e-cigs as well since the general public is uneducated and tend to "freak" when they see vapor.

Sad but true.

That's where we can maybe make a difference.

 

[Scottbee]

That's where we can maybe make a difference.

Agreed!