Wish I could vape..

[Ollie]

Hi guys,

Sorry to make my first post an unhappy one..but I've had to go back to analogs and I really didn't want to. I really liked vaping and took to it well without many withdrawals.. I went analog free for 2 weeks and I was really happy with that..but for some reason my body just can't take it. My heart beat was racing so much so I could hear it in my ears..I just put this down to the nicotine but then my heart started hurting as if it was being punched. At one point I thought I was having a heart attack and I'm only 22. Then my body started to feel like it was shaking or tingling..and panic attacks started, something I've never had before. I know this probably sounds like analog withdrawal but I tried cold turkey a few months ago and didn't suffer like this..

Before I started the thread I searched on the ecf for days looking if other people had the same problems as I didn't want to start another thread on it..and read about PG allergy or too much nic..but I tried the 0 nic juice and I'm still getting the same problems..

When I was vaping I was on 8mg nic and perhaps 1-2 mil a day..before vaping I was smoking 20 reds a day.

I feel really low about going back to analogs when vaping was working so well..and I wish I could just vape instead.

Also, I wasn't trying to replicate the head rush whilst vaping as you would get from analogs as I know that's not what vaping is for..

Is there anything I can do? I don't want to be back on the analogs and each one is making me unhappy..

P.S I don't want to seem anti vaping..because I'm not..if I could vape without any problems I would do that and never go back to analogs...

Thanks,
Ollie

 

[Pilori]

Damn, that is heavy man. I experienced something like that when i was still vaping 12mg juice. I felt dizzy and started to get the shakes, felt like I was going to faint.

But you said you did not really just sit and chain vape on it or anything. It could be a combination of withdrawal and your body getting used to vaping. This community is great so im sure you'll get some better input.

Good luck

 

[Dyanne]

I am sorry to hear that vaping is not working out for you at the moment. I do not know what to suggest as it seems you did try lowering nic and adjusting PG and VG, but there could be underlying anxiety issues that giving up smoking is combined with. Maybe you could try again in a while on 0 and 3mg nic combinations and see how you go? It certainly is a very personal/individual journey finding the right mix of nic level and flavors and equipment to finally get it right. Or perhaps you might do better with other options like the gum or patches etc. I wish you luck and I hope you feel better soon. xx

 

[Ollie]

thanks for the help guys..I still want to carry on trying to find the right way of vaping so my body can take it..yea patches might be a good idea..but I miss the throat hit and that always gets me back on analogs

 

[ykalon]

Well, 8mg nic 1-2ml is is not overdoing it... I think you should up your nic to 18mg for a while, and combine with analogs if you need to. Maybe also consider a high VG juice?

 

[khalidmna]

thanks for the help guys..I still want to carry on trying to find the right way of vaping so my body can take it..yea patches might be a good idea..but I miss the throat hit and that always gets me back on analogs

Hi

Sorry to hear about your experience. I would advise that you make another attempt with different equipment and eliquid. It took me two tries to find the right eliquid and equipment. Don't be hard on yourself, it's trial and error - you'll get there in the end.

 

[Dyanne]

thanks for the help guys..I still want to carry on trying to find the right way of vaping so my body can take it..yea patches might be a good idea..but I miss the throat hit and that always gets me back on analogs

I have read a lot of people get into vaping and experiment a great deal while still smoking until they find the right combination of gear and juice and then suddenly no more smoking. Maybe you might need to be like that, try different combinations and not get depressed that you are still smoking because you are trying to cut down. Sometimes knowing your old pack is next to you while trying other options cuts down on the anxiety (which I might add gives you real symptoms like you described) might help you adjust things to your needs. whatever you decide to try or do keep researching and asking questions

 

[tazzle]

Hi, Ollie, welcome! I'm so sorry about the bad experience!

Could you tell us a bit more about what you were using? Battery, tank, coil, e-liquid, and voltage or wattage? Did it happen every time you vaped?

 

[Ollie]

Thanks guys..I was using an eleaf istick, aspire tank and about 4.5volts..the eliquid was 8mg..it was a mild fruit flavor..

 

[Rickajho]

Hi guys,

Sorry to make my first post an unhappy one..but I've had to go back to analogs and I really didn't want to. I really liked vaping and took to it well without many withdrawals.. I went analog free for 2 weeks and I was really happy with that..but for some reason my body just can't take it. My heart beat was racing so much so I could hear it in my ears..I just put this down to the nicotine but then my heart started hurting as if it was being punched. At one point I thought I was having a heart attack and I'm only 22. Then my body started to feel like it was shaking or tingling..and panic attacks started, something I've never had before. I know this probably sounds like analog withdrawal but I tried cold turkey a few months ago and didn't suffer like this..

Before I started the thread I searched on the ecf for days looking if other people had the same problems as I didn't want to start another thread on it..and read about PG allergy or too much nic..but I tried the 0 nic juice and I'm still getting the same problems..

When I was vaping I was on 8mg nic and perhaps 1-2 mil a day..before vaping I was smoking 20 reds a day.

I feel really low about going back to analogs when vaping was working so well..and I wish I could just vape instead.

Also, I wasn't trying to replicate the head rush whilst vaping as you would get from analogs as I know that's not what vaping is for..

Is there anything I can do? I don't want to be back on the analogs and each one is making me unhappy..

P.S I don't want to seem anti vaping..because I'm not..if I could vape without any problems I would do that and never go back to analogs...

Thanks,
Ollie

I could be wrong but most of what you describe there sounds like someone hyperventilating themself into a panic attack. Could just be a simple matter of a bad vaping technique resulting in chest breathing > hyperventilating > panic attack.

 

[drunkenbatman]

I went analog free for 2 weeks and I was really happy with that..but for some reason my body just can't take it. My heart beat was racing so much so I could hear it in my ears..I just put this down to the nicotine but then my heart started hurting as if it was being punched. At one point I thought I was having a heart attack and I'm only 22. Then my body started to feel like it was shaking or tingling..and panic attacks started, something I've never had before.

Half of this sounds like borderline nicotine poisoning, but at 0 nic I'm stumped except for the previous comment. You might try mouth inhales instead of lung inhales in case something there is triggering it -- eg, just sucking the vapor into your mouth with your airway closed, then exhaling. You'll still get the nicotine, but if there's any merit to Rickajo's thought it might help. As a shot in the dark and to get more information, what is the PG/VG ratio of your eliquid?

 

[Ollie]

I think it's 50/50 pg/vg..could it be an allergy to PG? I read about allergies to PG side effects and it didn't say racing heart beat?

 

[Rat2chat2]

So many good suggestions here. Are ecf people not the very best? Although you say you loved vaping, could it possibly be that you really miss smoking. Let's face it, it is hard to give up an old friend (cigarette). I did both for a good while. And automatically started reducing cigarettes because I too loved vaping. After I got down to a couple a day, the same brand I had been smoking forever started tasting really bad to me. It made it easy to transition to full time vaping. I say all this in a very caring manner. I just know when I smoked and I tried to quit (which was many times) I would almost talk myself into going back to smoking for different reasons. The patches helped me when I would wear them. Chantix helped me as long as I was taking it but as soon as I stopped I would return to smoking. Vaping is the first thing that has ever helped me and I haven't had the urge for a cigarette in 600 days.

Please let us know how you are doing and if any of the suggestions here helped you. Your situation could also help others. Good luck to you and I wish you the very best. I know ecf is full of information but what makes ecf so special are the people that care. Hug to you.

 

[SuperTaz]

Hi Ollie and welcome.....I sure hope you find the solution to your problem. You sure came to the right place for advice. Lots of pros here to help figure it out!!

PS: I still get ringing in my ears when vaping........at least it blocks out my other voices lol

 

[drunkenbatman]

I think it's 50/50 pg/vg..could it be an allergy to PG? I read about allergies to PG side effects and it didn't say racing heart beat?

Yeah, a racing heart rate and tingling can very much be a real and serious allergic reaction -- I have one substance that happens to me with -- but I'd expect hives and such too, and your airway possibly tightening/lump in the throat, and other stuff, but no two people reaction exactly the same. If it is an allergic reaction, it could be the PG, VG, or a specific flavoring.

You need to be really careful with this, as if anaphylaxis is involved it is absolutely no joke. I joke a lot, but this is 100% serious -- *if* you are having an allergic reaction that is going full-body, your immune system is basically going into overdrive. You might assume if you keep trying it it'll keep settling down afterwards, but that isn't always the case. With severe reactions you can be "priming" the immune system so it gets worse, and then you have a reaction that doesn't go away so you end up going away.

If you keep experimenting, I'd not do it alone -- and make sure you have anti-histamines around to temper any reactions. I'd do it systematically and in extreme moderation in case something starts getting triggered until you found something you felt was safe for you. e.g., try a few puffs of 100% unflavored VG, etc. and if that's still bad, 100% PG, and if that's still bad...

 

[Green Street]

Sorry to hear about your troubles with vaping. obviously proceed cautiously, take things slowly to make changes.

Sounds like you've got a good setup, maybe try vaping a bit lower voltage...4.5v is a bit high maybe creating too intense a vapor....making that 8mg hit harder.

Also have you tried some other juices? Some of those fruity juices have not only flavoring but COLORING that might be giving you a reaction.

I hope you find a way to work through it ollie.

 

[Debadoo]

Wow, never heard of that, but each person is different. I'm assuming this only happens when you vaped. I really like what drunkenbatman said two posts up. The other thing I'd say is, if this happens again.......get to the ER!! And in fact, I'd go in for a checkup and let the doc know what happened. You could have an issue with your heart even though you are young. You said you went two weeks.......how long after beginning vaping did it start? Immediately, day later, two, a week? Did it last one day, more than one day? Not wishing anything on you at all, and it could certainly be a reaction to the vaping, but could also have been a coincidence. I'd get checked out to be on the safe side.

 

[HMav]

I had some weird symptoms that were similar, but not exactly the same, a few weeks after I quit smoking. It felt like too much nicotine, but I would get these symptoms after vaping LESS than usual. Taking a nap and then vaping my face of helped (18mg juice, sometimes adding a few drops of 24mg right to the coil). As time went on I had new bouts of withdrawal symptoms (new ones every week), always felt like a panic attack.Buying new vape stuff and liquids helped with the anxiety (retail therapy or maybe security that I wouldn't not have something if I needed it?)

If you have any issues with feeling like your throat is closing, or if you get itchy, or if you experience significant stomach pain, or any other "normal" allergy symptoms, I would suggest you see a doctor. These are symptoms of an allergic reaction to something and you need to sort out what it is. Many of us take the risk upon ourselves to solve our problems through experimentation, but we can't recommend that you do the same.

There are many chemicals in tobacco smoke that are active in the human body, and withdrawal symptoms will vary from chemical to chemical and present at different times. There are chemicals in smoke that work as MAOIs (antidepressants/anti anxiety) and withdrawal from these can be nasty. Unfortunately smokers (and now vapers) are lied to from every side, nicotine was not our primary chemical addiction to tobacco, and nicotine only products will not completely stop the withdrawal symptoms for all of us.

 

[wjosephsimmons]

....I'd go in for a checkup and let the doc know what happened. You could have an issue with your heart even though you are young....I'd get checked out to be on the safe side.

"my heart started hurting as if it was being punched"? Dude, see a doctor. Who says 22 is too young for a heart attack?

 

[issy]

Hi and welcome, Ollie. You are in a tough situation and my heart goes out to you. One thing that sticks out is that you say you didn't have the problems quitting cold turkey the first time. A lot of people say, and the same thing happened to me, that it's a lot harder to quit the 2nd time. For me, first time cold turkey wasn't bad. I took it up again, but when I tried quitting again, my chest pain and panic attacks were severe...several panic attacks in one day in fact.

These symptoms are scary and hurt very much. Don't hesitate to go to the ER. My suggestion would be try cold turkey again, and see if you still have symptoms. If vaping is causing a serious, allergic reaction (like many foods do for many people) you would really want to avoid it. Best of luck to you.