Wizard Labs order

[Roncgizmo]

Sorry for the double post. I first posted this in new members but didn't get much over there.

I'm putting an order together for Wizard Labs.. So far I'm setting myself up with 100mg Nic cut with VG (I'm not big on throat hits)
and some extra VG and PG in the same quantity as the Nic (each)

But here's my biggest problem. I want tobacco flavor.. I've been reading about how hard that is as recipes go
However I know that's what my body will crave the most..

Can anyone here offer up some good suggestions for flavor additives? I hear the M-type, works well
and I was also going to try some 555 and Cowboy.. I would like to keep it simple.. As of now I smoke L&M blue
and Marlboro gold (lights) If that help..

I would like to get this order in ASAP! Thanks in advance

 

[dannyv45]

A simple mix starting out for a smoker would be:

75/25 24ml NIC base
7% 555
1% AP

Perfumers Apprentice - Acetyl Pyrazine 5% (PG)

 

[Roncgizmo]

Thanks Danny. What part of NJ are you in? I'm in Rockaway

 

[SirSteve]

Roncgizmo; if you try the M type, start very low and let it steep. M type is very potent and does not taste good until it steeps for at least a couple of weeks in my experience. I also use other flavors, AP has a nutty taste to me, a sweetener can also help to smooth rough edges.

I just may try that recipe Danny, feel like playing with flavors today.

 

[Roncgizmo]

Thank you Steve, This along with Danny's information is exactly the kind of input I'm looking for.

 

[Roncgizmo]

Anyone think RTS is better then Wizard Labs? it looks to be about $15 or so more.. is it worth it?

 

[Cavediver]

Anyone think RTS is better then Wizard Labs? it looks to be about $15 or so more.. is it worth it?

I can't answer that question, but if you decide to order from RTS, look around for a discount code. IIRC, they have one for 15% off of your first order.

I've been happy with WL, but am a newb to all of this and don't have anything to compare to.

 

[Roncgizmo]

Thanks Cav, I used to live in Buford back in 05.. In lake lanier on a houseboat.. It's nice there but all the 25mph roads drove me nuts!..lol

 

[Steven Pye]

Anyone think RTS is better then Wizard Labs? it looks to be about $15 or so more.. is it worth it?

If you go with RTS you can get Hangsen tobacco flavors- RY1 is very cig like, and the other flavors are great too. mix at 1 drop per 1ml of base and steep for 1 week.

If you want sweet tobacco get RY4
Nutty get Highway

they also carry Flavour Art tobaccos that are good, but they take a little more getting used to and require additives like vape wizard,

On the subject of Vape Wizard if you are big into tobaccos it is a must have- it smooths and enhances the flavor, also available at RTS under the Flavour Art tobaccos - mix with your tobaccos at 1%

 

[Roncgizmo]

If you go with RTS you can get Hangsen tobacco flavors- RY1 is very cig like, and the other flavors are great too. mix at 1 drop per 1ml of base and steep for 1 week.

If you want sweet tobacco get RY4
Nutty get Highway

they also carry Flavour Art tobaccos that are good, but they take a little more getting used to and require additives like vape wizard,

On the subject of Vape Wizard if you are big into tobaccos it is a must have- it smooths and enhances the flavor, also available at RTS under the Flavour Art tobaccos - mix with your tobaccos at 1%

Thanks, You guys are great here.. I know I'm going to screw a few mixes up but it's good to know I can learn a little from the mistakes others have made. So far it looks like I should add Vape Wizard and Acetyl Pyrazine 5% (PG) to my shopping list. any other must have additives ya'll can think of before I do this?

 

[Steven Pye]

I agree pick up the Vape Wizard and Acetyl Pyrazine first, then I would pick up some Ethyl Malto in case you need a sweetner,
later on once you get the hang of the tobaccos you can branch out and pick up tobacco absolute 10% in PG or alcohol

then your cooking with fire

 

[dannyv45]

Thanks Danny. What part of NJ are you in? I'm in Rockaway

Bergen county

 

[dannyv45]

Thanks, You guys are great here.. I know I'm going to screw a few mixes up but it's good to know I can learn a little from the mistakes others have made. So far it looks like I should add Vape Wizard and Acetyl Pyrazine 5% (PG) to my shopping list. any other must have additives ya'll can think of before I do this?

Also while your waiting for your order do a lot of reading in this forum. There's much more to DYI then just mixing a few flavors and vaping it. If your main interest right now is tobacco you need to know about steeping. Tobacco juice needs to steep anywhere from 2 to 4 weeks. There are express methods of steeping so do your research. Also you need to know how to prepare your bace mix expecially if your using 100ml nic IT NEEDS TO BE DELUTED so make sure you know what your doing. Understand flavor percentages and how to convert percentages to ML's. Download the e juice me up calculater and learn how to use it. This can be a lot of fun but you need to know the basics or it will turn into a fustrating nightmare.

 

[JC Okie]

I have several friends who vape unflavored nic juice and say it tastes more like a Marlboro than any flavoring. I have tried it and it's not bad. Keep an open mind and give it a try....you might be surprised. If anything, it tastes a little "peppery" but at least it's not sweet. I like fruity flavors, so unflavored wasn't my favorite, but it did taste better than tobacco flavors to me. The tobacco flavors (all of them) smelled and tasted more like pipe smoking than cigarette smoking. I hated them all and quickly moved into fruity flavors and bakery flavors. Just a suggestion.

 

[dannyv45]

If you go with RTS you can get Hangsen tobacco flavors- RY1 is very cig like, and the other flavors are great too.

+1 on the hangsen flavors. The T5 is to die for. My favorate ADV tobacco. Add 1% AP and it's a great nutty tobacco vape.

 

[dannyv45]

The tobacco flavors (all of them) smelled and tasted more like pipe smoking than cigarette smoking. I hated them all and quickly moved into fruity flavors and bakery flavors. Just a suggestion.

The problem could have been you just didn't use the right tobacco flavoring or percentage. There are many tobacco flavors out there by many different companies. The sad part is there are only a handful of flavors out there that are good natural cigarette flavors. I myself settled on the Hangsen flavors and the T5 in particular. Although not a true cigarette flavor it was the farthest from pipe or cigar tobacco and satisfied my need when I was first quitting cigarettes and is still my favorite today. The point is you just need to read the reviews and try different flavors until you find something you like.

 

[Roncgizmo]

Thanks all.. I'm at wizard labs and they have no Ethyl Malto or vape wizard any sub for them?

 

[DeeDee1234]

you will need small syringes and lots of small bottles as well

 

[Rin13]

Wizard labs should have E.M. unless they're sold out. Vape Wizard is made by FlavourArt and Wizard labs doesn't carry it. I got it from My Freedom Smokes. I also got Royal and Mellow Sunset from MFS. I recommend Royal. Hated Mellow Sunset.

Thanks all.. I'm at wizard labs and they have no Ethyl Malto or vape wizard any sub for them?

 

[Roncgizmo]

Thanks, So far this is the list.. Aside from bottles.. My brother in law works in a hospital some the other devices I can get from him

100mg Nicotine solution - 120ml- Carrier VG
Propylene Glycol - 120ml
Vegetable Glycerin - 120ml
Acetyl Pyrazine 5% PG Flavor Concentrate (TFA)
555 Type DK Tobacco Flavor Concentrate (TFA)
Smooth Flavor PG Concentrate (TFA)
Mtype Premium Tobacco Flavor (TFA)
Virginia Fire-Cured Tobacco Flavor Concentrate (SM)
Tobacco Absolute Blend PG ( TFA )
RY4 Type-1 Flavor Concentrate (TFA)
Green Apple Flavor (TFA)
Espresso Flavor (TFA)

The green apple is for the fun of it.. My hookah sub..lol the espresso just sounded good

Oh, Some of this stuff is non FDA. could that in any way be an issue?