Would you go the extra $ and get a ProVari ???

[elprup7]

Well, I was going to stay out of this but....you are right about one thing, even the best factory can have flaws. My ProVari was one of those 0.5% with a flaw. Now...tell me what other factory will take it back, fix it or replace it with a new one at NO cost??? Any? Yeah, I thought not.

Depending on where you get your mod, the shop/site could have warranty. Also, research everything before you buy it. Don't buy poor quality mods. Reasonably priced doesn't mean lesser quality.

 

[elprup7]

I completely agree with this statement. In fact, two years ago, I probably would have shared that opinion with you. However, we're nearly two years passed that point. I can't argue with the facts of it being well made or reliable. It is. However, it's just not current.

I've been vaping for a year now. I started with Blu(Yeah, that lasted about three weeks) and switched to an ego battery with a T3. Even then, I was looking for something more. I looked at the ProVari, the LavaTube, and so forth. I passed on those, because I saw the variable wattage mods. It seemed a lot more simple to let the APV do the math for me, even though I can handle Ohm's Law.

I've read the posts about how variable wattage breaks down on quad coils and higher, and that's a given. However, I'm not sure quad coil is common with the masses. Most things are single or dual coil for the mainstream right now. Honestly, I prefer ProTank 2s on my Vamo and use RDAs for the mech mods. Even with RDAs, I only do dual coil builds.

Is it worth the money? I can't see it, because I can easily buy a fleet of APVs and mechs for the cost of the ProVari. I have yet to kill anything I own. I've retired some APVs and batteries, but that's because I moved on.

The argument that I'll go back to smoking when *one* of them dies is pretty far fetched when you consider you can get an APV or mech a LOT cheaper than a carton of cigarettes. Even then, I can't stand the taste of a cigarette. I tried one last September just to see if I missed it. Not a BIT. In fact, that's probably the least credible argument for the ProVari in this thread - "You'll buy something else which won't work, and you'll be right back to the stinkies."

The question is that of value. When asking is the ProVari worth the extra money, you have to consider what you can get with that money. I pointed out in my previous post, I can get a Vamo v2, two Vamo v5s, and three mech mods for the price of the Provari. That gives me back ups in case one APV dies, and I have a wide amount of options that you can't get with one ProVari.

I can throw whatever ProTank 2 on my Vamo I want and get roughly the same vape off it versus another because it's variable wattage. I can leave the Ohm calculations for when I'm playing with my mechs, which I also love to do. I keep the vamos around for cool down sessions after sub Ohming the mechs or just casual vaping while rebuilding an RDA.

I am currently interested in the DNA30 APVs and have one on order from VaporTekUSA. You can get them for $70, and they go down to .5 Ohm at 30W. I'm sure you won't have a wonderful battery life, but I can vape on that a bit and vape something else.

Value is bang for the buck. For that much buck, how much can you do? I can take that same $180 and do quite a bit.

Exactly. Again Provari's are good mods. But better and cheaper are out there

 

[glassgal]

In the interest of full disclosure the ProVari sold on ebay would cost 214.90 when you factor in the additional charge for the LED and the extension cap.

However, if you look in the classies here you will see that ProVari's do hold up their resell value rather well.

But again we are talking about Value which is subjective. I am reminded of a conversation I had with my father, rest his soul, that still resonates with me today, and more than anything says something about the differences on what people value.

My father was a very straight forward meat and potatoes guy. He did not spend a lot on luxuries. We had a camper growing up. He liked to hunt and take vacations in the camper. We rarely ate out at 'nice resturaunts.' He loved the buffets. Royal Fork, Bonanza Steakhouse, Sizzler....

After I moved out of the house and got married, I had gone to my first Ruths Chris steak house to celebrate my wife and I's 5th anniversary. I had the most amazing steak I had ever had the joy of putting in my mouth. It was the most sublime porterhouse you could imagine. I can still smell that steak sizzling on the plate and feeling the hot butter crackling off the plate and stinging my face. And when you took that first bite it melted in your mouth and had the most amazing flavor in the world....

I remember oohing and ahhing to my dad over that steak and how he should go there just once, just to splurge. He asked me point blank.."how much did that steak cost you?". To which I replied $36.00 and that doesn't include the sides. He just gave a snort and said...I'd never pay that much for a piece of meat. I can get 18 whoppers at Burger King for what you paid for that steak.

I said, "Dad, you seriously did not just compare a Ruth's Chris Steak to a Whopper did you?

And He said, "I sure did....They both come from a cow and they both make a turd..." That's good enough for me....

That pretty much sums it up. My father and I had different value systems and that's all there is to it.

Maybe I could afford 5 vamos for the price of a ProVari. But given that I can actually detect the loss of power on a Vamo as the battery discharges. I prefer the rock solid performance of the ProVari..... But that's me. I'd choose the Ruth's House Steak over the 18 whoppers any day of the week.

Ahhhh! But if your dad could sell a higher quality Ruth Chris's Steak House turd for 80%+ of it's purchased value after enjoying it for YEARS (and 100% if the price of base Provari increases over that time), but the Burger King turds are only worth 20% of their value, which would he choose then?

 

[glassgal]

Exactly. Again Provari's are good mods. But better and cheaper are out there

I want the better and cheaper one. Name it and how it's better for being cheaper.

Oohh... you mean they're better because they break more with no way to repair... giving you the great opportunity to spend money on parts and labor to 'tinker'?

 

[elprup7]

In the interest of full disclosure the ProVari sold on ebay would cost 214.90 when you factor in the additional charge for the LED and the extension cap.

However, if you look in the classies here you will see that ProVari's do hold up their resell value rather well.

But again we are talking about Value which is subjective. I am reminded of a conversation I had with my father, rest his soul, that still resonates with me today, and more than anything says something about the differences on what people value.

My father was a very straight forward meat and potatoes guy. He did not spend a lot on luxuries. We had a camper growing up. He liked to hunt and take vacations in the camper. We rarely ate out at 'nice resturaunts.' He loved the buffets. Royal Fork, Bonanza Steakhouse, Sizzler....

After I moved out of the house and got married, I had gone to my first Ruths Chris steak house to celebrate my wife and I's 5th anniversary. I had the most amazing steak I had ever had the joy of putting in my mouth. It was the most sublime porterhouse you could imagine. I can still smell that steak sizzling on the plate and feeling the hot butter crackling off the plate and stinging my face. And when you took that first bite it melted in your mouth and had the most amazing flavor in the world....

I remember oohing and ahhing to my dad over that steak and how he should go there just once, just to splurge. He asked me point blank.."how much did that steak cost you?". To which I replied $36.00 and that doesn't include the sides. He just gave a snort and said...I'd never pay that much for a piece of meat. I can get 18 whoppers at Burger King for what you paid for that steak.

I said, "Dad, you seriously did not just compare a Ruth's Chris Steak to a Whopper did you?

And He said, "I sure did....They both come from a cow and they both make a turd..." That's good enough for me....

That pretty much sums it up. My father and I had different value systems and that's all there is to it.

Maybe I could afford 5 vamos for the price of a ProVari. But given that I can actually detect the loss of power on a Vamo as the battery discharges. I prefer the rock solid performance of the ProVari..... But that's me. I'd choose the Ruth's House Steak over the 18 whoppers any day of the week.

Thats a great comparison, for Provari's vs blu. There are mods out there with SUPERIOR vaping than the provari and many that have similar quality for less.

 

[glassgal]

Thats a great comparison, for Provari's vs blu. There are mods out there with SUPERIOR vaping than the provari and many that have similar quality for less.

Yet you can't name a single one? Why not?

 

[elprup7]

I want the better and cheaper one. Name it and how it's better for being cheaper.

Oohh... you mean they're better because they break more with no way to repair... giving you the great opportunity to spend money on parts and labor to 'tinker'?

Again the VTR is better in almost every aspect except weight and depending on your aesthetics. AGAIN cheaper doesn't mean will break more often. And I dont spend money on my own labor. Parts? like soldering wire and a torch? Which everyone with a mod should have

 

[elprup7]

Yet you can't name a single one? Why not?

DO YOU READ?? ALL the hana modz. the new VTR. The lavatube. And most any mod with a DNA20 or DNA30 chip.

 

[r77r7r]

Lots of people showing love for their Vamos-

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/558535-vamo-v5.html

 

[glassgal]

DO YOU READ?? ALL the hana modz. the new VTR. The lavatube. And most any mod with a DNA20 or DNA30 chip.

The Hana Mod costs $250, and a Provari costs $159.

And they have so many complaints, they aren't making them right now... but the $70 clone is going to not have any complaints and work better. I don't think I want to throw my $70 away. But wait... your criteria for better is that it breaks a lot so you have the opportunity to tinker? Ok, well, if my criteria for a better mod is a broken mod, I'd rather spend $5 and get someone's broken anything than $40 for a Vamo.

The VTR is pretty good, I like it. But the durability over time is unknown, and it too has issues, notably the wheel problem making atomizer not fire. Now in the newer ones, it's fixed, but the power output on it is still way worse than a Provari for stability. That's not getting into the material design issue of the horrible fingerprint magneting. Better how? While I like it, I wouldn't put it in the same league as Provari.

There ARE lower priced mods that are very nice. But they aren't as nice as Provari, and they are all mech types. The big thing about a Provari is the stability of the power.

 

[glassgal]

Lots of people showing love for their Vamos-

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/558535-vamo-v5.html

I never said people don't like their Vamo. If it's your first big or only mod, of course you'd like it. Now go compare the number of people who like Provari to the number who like Vamo.

 

[p.opus]

Again the VTR is better in almost every aspect except weight and depending on your aesthetics. AGAIN cheaper doesn't mean will break more often. And I dont spend money on my own labor. Parts? like soldering wire and a torch? Which everyone with a mod should have

I'm sorry, but the VTR is superior in exactly one way
1. With a 5 amp limit vs the ProVari it can fire a .8 ohm coil. Congrats.
2.. The VTR has non filtered PWM on the output. The ProVari uses PWM as well but filters it so that it is a cleaner signal. This is not opinion, this is visible fact.
3. The VTR is at LEAST 5 times less accurate than a ProVari. Again the Pbusardo videos show the VTR at +/- .1 .2 volts and worse in some cases where the ProVari's largest deviation was .02 volts. Again, Fact, not opinion.
4. There is no post warranty support on the VTR whatsoever. Pretty significant for a Mod that has a street price of over $70.00 and a suggested retail of over $100.
5. Should I mention the issue they had with the 510 wheel which required them to redesign the 510 connector so it wouldn't spin?
6. Or what about the fact that it won't accept a Kayfun without using the bulky and heavier adapter piece or grinding off the metal guard at the top of the unit?

Now if you were to say, "I prefer the VTR in almost every aspect"...then I can't argue with you because you are expressing your opinion as opinion. But when you express your opinion as fact, well then, that's where things get interesting. Especially when your "facts" are wrong.

 

[zapped]

I'm sorry, but the VTR is superior in exactly one way
1. With a 5 amp limit vs the ProVari it can fire a .8 ohm coil. Congrats.
2.. The VTR has non filtered PWM on the output. The ProVari uses PWM as well but filters it so that it is a cleaner signal. This is not opinion, this is visible fact.
3. The VTR is at LEAST 5 times less accurate than a ProVari. Again the Pbusardo videos show the VTR at +/- .1 .2 volts and worse in some cases where the ProVari's largest deviation was .02 volts. Again, Fact, not opinion.
4. There is no post warranty support on the VTR whatsoever. Pretty significant for a Mod that has a street price of over $70.00 and a suggested retail of over $100.
5. Should I mention the issue they had with the 510 wheel which required them to redesign the 510 connector so it wouldn't spin?
6. Or what about the fact that it won't accept a Kayfun without using the bulky and heavier adapter piece or grinding off the metal guard at the top of the unit?

Now if you were to say, "I prefer the VTR in almost every aspect"...then I can't argue with you because you are expressing your opinion as opinion. But when you express your opinion as fact, well then, that's where things get interesting. Especially when your "facts" are wrong.

Well spoken and QFT.

Personally, I dont believe much of anything as fact when spoken by someone with a join date of this month and less than 100 posts under their belt. YMMV

 

[blue5]

I think the Provari full size with extending cap is worth the extra money.. had mine for 2 years and it went thru the school of hardknocks.. it survived falls from 30ft and drowned in a lake... other than adjusting the spring in the cap... it is a tank... and survives my life style

 

[Smoot]

Good point, Provari's are generally more durable and have a great warranty. BUT why get a mod if you don't like to tinker? lol

I got a R91% and RDA's for tinkering. In a mod, I just want to push a button, and for it to fire. I'm lazy like that

 

[slappy3139]

DO YOU READ?? ALL the hana modz. the new VTR. The lavatube. And most any mod with a DNA20 or DNA30 chip.

The VTR has been dealt with above this post so I won't comment on it. The lavatube in any form has never been in the provari's class in terms of build quality, vape quality, or value IMO. I should know as I have at one time owned every iteration of the lavatube with the exception of the 2.5 which added VW to the v 2.0. By that time I had already purchased my first provari. The lavatube is inferior to the provari in every way that I can think of with the exception of price, it cost half of what a provari cost.
DNA20 and DNA30 mods have one distinct advantage over a provari and that is its much higher wattage and amp limits. And that comes with the caveat that unless you're into RBAs and RDAs there is one significant reason you should not get a DNA. It will not fire at a voltage less than the current charge state of the battery. If you are using stock attys chances are your device will not be able to wick fast enough on a fully charged battery cause you're going to be firing it at 4.2 volts whether you want it to or not.


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[elprup7]

The Hana Mod costs $250, and a Provari costs $159.

And they have so many complaints, they aren't making them right now... but the $70 clone is going to not have any complaints and work better. I don't think I want to throw my $70 away. But wait... your criteria for better is that it breaks a lot so you have the opportunity to tinker? Ok, well, if my criteria for a better mod is a broken mod, I'd rather spend $5 and get someone's broken anything than $40 for a Vamo.

The VTR is pretty good, I like it. But the durability over time is unknown, and it too has issues, notably the wheel problem making atomizer not fire. Now in the newer ones, it's fixed, but the power output on it is still way worse than a Provari for stability. That's not getting into the material design issue of the horrible fingerprint magneting. Better how? While I like it, I wouldn't put it in the same league as Provari.

There ARE lower priced mods that are very nice. But they aren't as nice as Provari, and they are all mech types. The big thing about a Provari is the stability of the power.

firstly i said the hana modz are flat out better, not cheaper. the VTR wheel problem has been fixed since the end of last year, it is now a fixed wheel, not spinning as it used to be, and there are "color" options for the VTR that are matte so no fingerprint magnet and it is better because it is VV and VW and has a wider range. Also my battery last longer on my VTR than in my friends provari at the same setting

 

[glassgal]

Actually, I think it's also important to compare apples to apples... the Provari is a tube mod. The VTR shouldn't be compared to a tube, it's not a tube.

When you drag box mods into the comparison, you are adding something completely different. Ie., the Hana Mod can't compare in any way to a Woodvil or even a base REO Grand, and so far from the Dibi that it's not even on the same page of mods. Not for power, not for looks, not for subohming capabilities, not for durability, not for ease of repair, not for trouble free operation, not for warranty, not for a single criteria I can think of, even for tinkering, since most people can't rebuild their own circuit boards. I don't think a Hana Mod can compare to a Bogger box even.

If you exclude bottom feeders, but vs boxes, it can't compare to a Tankguard/Puzzlebox or a Phidias. ALL of which can fire down to .2 ohms if you swap out the spring and contacts for beryllium or plated gold.

It's all relative. For tube mods, there's none that can beat the Provari's power and safety for fiddle free push button vaping. There's plenty of very neat mech/semi-mech tube mods, but they aren't in the same category either. The only regulated tube mods in the Provari category are Vamo, Sigelei Zmax, 134 and a handful of less popular mods.

 

[elprup7]

The VTR has been dealt with above this post so I won't comment on it. The lavatube in any form has never been in the provari's class in terms of build quality, vape quality, or value IMO. I should know as I have at one time owned every iteration of the lavatube with the exception of the 2.5 which added VW to the v 2.0. By that time I had already purchased my first provari. The lavatube is inferior to the provari in every way that I can think of with the exception of price, it cost half of what a provari cost.
DNA20 and DNA30 mods have one distinct advantage over a provari and that is its much higher wattage and amp limits. And that comes with the caveat that unless you're into RBAs and RDAs there is one significant reason you should not get a DNA. It will not fire at a voltage less than the current charge state of the battery. If you are using stock attys chances are your device will not be able to wick fast enough on a fully charged battery cause you're going to be firing it at 4.2 volts whether you want it to or not.


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No problems at all with my lavatube(2) except it kept my wallet fat haha

 

[elprup7]

Actually, I think it's also important to compare apples to apples... the Provari is a tube mod. The VTR shouldn't be compared to a tube, it's not a tube.

When you drag box mods into the comparison, you are adding something completely different. Ie., the Hana Mod can't compare in any way to a Woodvil or even a base REO Grand, and so far from the Dibi that it's not even on the same page of mods. Not for power, not for looks, not for subohming capabilities, not for durability, not for ease of repair, not for trouble free operation, not for warranty, not for a single criteria I can think of, even for tinkering, since most people can't rebuild their own circuit boards. I don't think a Hana Mod can compare to a Bogger box even.

If you exclude bottom feeders, but vs boxes, it can't compare to a Tankguard/Puzzlebox or a Phidias. ALL of which can fire down to .2 ohms if you swap out the spring and contacts for beryllium or plated gold.

It's all relative. For tube mods, there's none that can beat the Provari's power and safety for fiddle free push button vaping. There's plenty of very neat mech/semi-mech tube mods, but they aren't in the same category either. The only regulated tube mods in the Provari category are Vamo, Sigelei Zmax, 134 and a handful of less popular mods.

the shape of the mod is just looks, with regulated mods its literally all about the build quality and the chip quality. If its better, but in box shape idc. and those other box mods(besides the REO, which is the best box mod for the money IMO) are over-priced as well IMO and why would i get a regulated mod for sub-ohms? thats kinda stupid, its do-able but why? mech mods are cheaper and usually work better on subohm coils.