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tl;dr:

1) They contain nicotine.
2) Formaldehyde.
3) Nicotine might be addictive.
4) They could poison your kid(s) if they get into them.
5) Might harm brain development in teens.
6) The formaldehyde might give you cancer.
7) The batteries might explode.
8) Alternate means of quitting smoking are better/safer.

Pure propaganda. But I wouldn't expect anything different from that particular source.
 

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tl;dr:

1) They contain nicotine.
2) Formaldehyde.
3) Nicotine might be addictive.
4) They could poison your kid(s) if they get into them.
5) Might harm brain development in teens.
6) The formaldehyde might give you cancer.
7) The batteries might explode.
8) Alternate means of quitting smoking are better/safer.

Pure propaganda. But I wouldn't expect anything different from that particular source.

What rocket surgeon came up with this garbage?
 
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These ads always amaze me. Note the words... might/could/should not one ounce of certainty in any of their garbage. It is all about the money and ads these days. No one speaks the truth and why should they. Only profits matter these days....the days of reckoning are coming I hope you are prepared.
 

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tl;dr:

1) They contain nicotine.
2) Formaldehyde.
3) Nicotine might be addictive.
4) They could poison your kid(s) if they get into them.
5) Might harm brain development in teens.
6) The formaldehyde might give you cancer.
7) The batteries might explode.
8) Alternate means of quitting smoking are better/safer.

Pure propaganda. But I wouldn't expect anything different from that particular source.
Has there been any lab testing of vaping 100% VG with zero nic and little or no flavoring? A U of Michigan researcher is saying a lot of kid vapers report no nic in their vape. That makes perfect sense if the attraction is only the clouds. What else can the attraction be to someone who never smoked? Smokers trying to quit benefit from flavors and nicotine but they may be irrelevent to never smoking kids who just see a cloud toy.

So what are the risks of vaping 100% VG with no nic or flavoring?
 

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Has there been any lab testing of vaping 100% VG with zero nic and little or no flavoring? A U of Michigan researcher is saying a lot of kid vapers report no nic in their vape. That makes perfect sense if the attraction is only the clouds. What else can the attraction be to someone who never smoked? Smokers trying to quit benefit from flavors and nicotine but they may be irrelevent to never smoking kids who just see a cloud toy.

So what are the risks of vaping 100% VG with no nic or flavoring?

I read this piece of junk yesterday. This morning I looked for it again on my MSM feed and it was gone.

I did find an "answer" to your question about zero nic vaping (see below). I did some googling and ended up on a Bizzaro website. Look up whyquit . com. It's somebody's endless rambling thoughts about quitting, mainly aimed at how every quitting strategy other than cold turkey is a con promoted by BP and BT to keep you addicted. Chapter 4 subsection Safer is about vaping, though it's a junky site and really hard to navigate. I'll warn you now, if you go to Chapter 4 your blood pressure might spike dangerously.

I'll copy in some pearls from the very first page below. It mentions vaping and suggests that people who vape and lower their nic down to zero have simply trained their addict brains to respond to inhaling vaporized sugar as a substitute for the nicotine.

First though he mentions that ALL smokers who quit using nicotine gum become addicted to the gum.

Sadly for me, based on this clown spelling vaporised with an "s" he is probably a fellow Brit.

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And if mind games have you buying into the e-cigarette industry marketing fiction that nicotine-free vaping equals freedom, think again. Prior to e-cigs, smokers could quit by gradual weaning schemes too. Still, like trying to find a successful nicotine gum quitter who didn't end up hooked on the cure, success was rare.

Now, I'm working with e-cig users who were able to successfully wean themselves down to vaping nicotine-free juice, only to discover that they can't stop vaping.

Although no on point research as yet, not only are all of their vaping use cues intact and demanding that they vape during all situations where they previously inhaled nicotine, their brain dopamine pathways have grown accustomed to the swift arrival of vaporised sugar.
 

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Look up whyquit . com. It's somebody's endless rambling thoughts about quitting, mainly aimed at how every quitting strategy other than cold turkey is a con promoted by BP and BT to keep you addicted.
That place oozes with anti-nicotine zealotry.
 

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That place oozes with anti-nicotine zealotry.
Earlier in my vaping career I did a six month sabbatical in a forum like that.

Actually, quite a few of us vapers were engaged with those nut jobs for quite some time.
They begged their moderators to outright ban us all but they didn't do it.

Eventually they started to whine and complain to ECF management.
Finally we were told not to go there anymore or we would be banned from ECF.

They called nicotine the Nicodemon.
Ah yes, the good old days!

Total nut jobs.
 

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Earlier in my vaping career I did a six month sabbatical in a forum like that.

Actually, quite a few of us vapers were engaged with those nut jobs for quite some time.
They begged their moderators to outright ban us all but they didn't do it.

Eventually they started to whine and complain to ECF management.
Finally we were told not to go there anymore or we would be banned from ECF.

They called nicotine the Nicodemon.
Ah yes, the good old days!

Total nut jobs.

Not sure if serious, but I'd have a huge problem with Oliver, Retired or anyone else on ECF telling me not to engage people on another forum under the threat of banishment, if I wasn't involving ECF.
 
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So you were using ECF as a staging area to coordinate and then go forth and antagonize other forums, en masse?
Not exactly.
But I guess it depends on how you look at it.
:)

Here is the thread that started it all...
Beware of the Quit Smoking Purists

Personally, I did not consider it antagonization.
I considered it an attempt at education.
 

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Antagonizing people from Other Forums, or other Forums in General, while on the ECF I can understand.

But while on another Forum?
I guess if one considers attempting to educate to be antagonizing, then yeah...

There is a reason that their forum moderators didn't do anything about it.
And there is a reason our forum moderators didn't do anything about it for a long time.

Basically, the cult run by their long-standing members was being questioned.
And they were unable to sustain reasonable arguments to refute us.

So they started coming over here complaining, and trying to cause trouble.
And that's when the moderators here invoked the rule.

I was actually glad when it happened as it gave me an excuse to get out of that hellhole.
Some of the people we had been helping came over here.

God only knows what happened to the rest of them.
 
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