Wrong nicotine content in eliquid
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Anybody can open a B&M vape shop. I stay with respected on-line vendors because, well, I just feel that they have more to lose. I would like to find a simple nic content checker.
IF there is even a true 'study', I'd like to see it. Without that and the methodology used, I simply don't believe it.
Here's Kathy Garrett from an earlier hit piece:
"Big Tobacco says it’s not as bad as a normal cigarette, but Salt Lake County Health Department Tobacco Prevention Program Manager Kathy Garrett disagrees.
“It’s still nicotine and it’s not FDA approved or regulated. So we really do not know what are in them,” said Garrett.
Garrett says companies are blatantly targeting kids with wacky flavors any kid would like. Chocolate, Apple, and orange soda flavors top the list.
Not only is it illegal for kids or anyone under the age of 19 to use these electronic nicotine sticks, but Garrett says Utah’s Indoor Clean Air Act means even an adult can’t use them in public places like schools, clubs, or businesses. But because of their small size, it’s easy to conceal."
More Kids Using E-Cigarettes - Good4Utah.com
She's no 'scientist' - just another smoke-free advocate hack.
Here's Kathy Garrett from an earlier hit piece:
"Big Tobacco says it’s not as bad as a normal cigarette, but Salt Lake County Health Department Tobacco Prevention Program Manager Kathy Garrett disagrees.
“It’s still nicotine and it’s not FDA approved or regulated. So we really do not know what are in them,” said Garrett.
Garrett says companies are blatantly targeting kids with wacky flavors any kid would like. Chocolate, Apple, and orange soda flavors top the list.
Not only is it illegal for kids or anyone under the age of 19 to use these electronic nicotine sticks, but Garrett says Utah’s Indoor Clean Air Act means even an adult can’t use them in public places like schools, clubs, or businesses. But because of their small size, it’s easy to conceal."
More Kids Using E-Cigarettes - Good4Utah.com
She's no 'scientist' - just another smoke-free advocate hack.
Both links refer e-cigarettes. There is no specific mention of e-liquids. This is confusing and possibly misleading.
Additionally, specific brands are not mentioned. I'd think that little bit o'info is damned important.
Were they sampling cigalikes? Juices? What and where were their samples manufactured? By whom?
I've become sick and tired of "studies" publishing results based on anonymous products. Without specifics, the published results mean less than nothing, but will be used to discredit the responsible vendor, maker and general practice of vaping.
This all just sounds like another witch hunt aimed at vilifying the whole of the vaping community.
Additionally, specific brands are not mentioned. I'd think that little bit o'info is damned important.
Were they sampling cigalikes? Juices? What and where were their samples manufactured? By whom?
I've become sick and tired of "studies" publishing results based on anonymous products. Without specifics, the published results mean less than nothing, but will be used to discredit the responsible vendor, maker and general practice of vaping.
This all just sounds like another witch hunt aimed at vilifying the whole of the vaping community.
Exactly my thoughts... which is why I would like to see 'method' of testing. One could extract a concentrated nicotine from one part of a cartomizer or an area of none. I'm not saying there hasn't been bogus mg labels - we've seen it here, but I think 'more info' on what methods used, etc. is needed. From her K.Garrett's earlier pieces, I wouldn't trust her as she's way to biased against ecigs and that is quite evident.
There was a BT lab speaker at the recent FDA workshop who had tested nicotine degradation under extreme conditions - hot and dry and hot and humid - and found a 70% loss of nicotine in ecigs. I forget if it was 6months or 1year. In any case, the level of nic at the time of manufacture is higher than what you get at 1month, 3month etc and it depends on storage conditions (temperature and light) . You need a short expiration date or refrigerated storage if you want an ejuice off-the-shelf to be +- 10% from its label. Dark-glass bottles would help some.
But How Much does it matter if your juice is labeled 12mg but is actually 13 or 10?
But How Much does it matter if your juice is labeled 12mg but is actually 13 or 10?
if they are talking prefillied cartridges i say bogus.
that process is automated.
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mike
come to think of it a lot of vendors are using automated
equipment for e-juice. i am calling the whole thing bogus.
that process is automated.
regards
mike
come to think of it a lot of vendors are using automated
equipment for e-juice. i am calling the whole thing bogus.
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This is by No Means a definitive analysis but an Interesting read all the same.
Madvapes Blog - Nicotine Concentration Over Time
BTW - If anyone has Better Information about Nicotine Degradation, Please can you post a Link.
I have to agree with a couple here: don't show me the final results, show me the entire study
What was the methodology? What parameters were used? What data was thrown out? What was included?
What was the methodology? What parameters were used? What data was thrown out? What was included?
Actually, much of this criticism may not be warranted. The project summary specifically states that they obtained 153 samples of e-liquids in strengths ranging from 0 mg to 24 mg. They obtained the samples from 14 vape shops and 16 "tobacco specialty stores." The methodology was liquid chromatography-mass spectrometry.
Ow.ly - image uploaded by @SLCoHealth (SaltLakeCountyHealth)
EDIT: I think this just confirms what we should have known already: the unfortunate reality that there are quite a few careless people making e-juice.
Ow.ly - image uploaded by @SLCoHealth (SaltLakeCountyHealth)
EDIT: I think this just confirms what we should have known already: the unfortunate reality that there are quite a few careless people making e-juice.
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I saw that. I was more concerned with the methodology of extraction - from disposables, cartos, bottles??
What I found Interesting is when the report stated that the AEMSA Standard Requires all products to be +/- 10% Nicotine Content.
I wonder How Many readers realized that the Only Retailers/OEMs that fall under this Requirement are those who are AEMSA Members?
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In one study ....
Safety evaluation and risk assessment of electronic cigarettes as tobacco cigarette substitutes: a systematic review
...Dr. F reported results of this earlier study:
Analysis of refill liquids for electronic cigarettes. - PubMed - NCBI
The issue with this is not one of public safety (with a caveat - below), but one of customer satisfaction.
Quite simply, there's a high percentage of eliquid manufacturers who are STILL poor quality. Varying nicotine levels is almost certainly a proxy measure for all kinds of other egregiousness.
The caveat is, if someone who really, really wants nicotine buys a mislabelled eliquid with lower levels of nicotine, they are theoretically in danger because of the enhanced risk of their returning to smoking. Spurious argument, of course, but it's the only case I can think of where this would potentially be a safety issue.
Quite simply, there's a high percentage of eliquid manufacturers who are STILL poor quality. Varying nicotine levels is almost certainly a proxy measure for all kinds of other egregiousness.
The caveat is, if someone who really, really wants nicotine buys a mislabelled eliquid with lower levels of nicotine, they are theoretically in danger because of the enhanced risk of their returning to smoking. Spurious argument, of course, but it's the only case I can think of where this would potentially be a safety issue.
Unfortunately, you are correct about this.
I just hate to see things like this Report from Sal Lake City. Because I see No Reason why Salt Lake City should be any different from Denver or Seattle or Atlanta or ________.
And when States start talking about Special Licensing to Sell e-Liquid, it does give one pause.
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