X2's - Better TH, More Vapor?

[hcour]

Several of the reviews on SI say the X2's give a better TH and more vapor. I thought that had to do with voltage and these were the same voltage as the regular batteries, that the only advantage was that they held a longer charge. Am I mistaken? Thanks.

 

[mudhill]

you guessed it,,,they only hold a longer charge.

i have 5 x2 650's ,4 autos and 1 manual and believe me,it don't make a difference in flavor or vapor.

Larry

 

[betaalex]

perception, perception, perception. To me X2s really give more TH and more vapor.

Remember that these batteries are 3.6V regulated only in theory. But nothing is perfect and voltage certainly drops under load i.e. during actual vaping. I do strongly suspect that X2s have somewhat higher voltage under load (somebody with proper voltmeter please confirm) compared to 65mm or 78mm batteries (say, 3.5V for X2 vs 3.3V for 78mm) - and this would explain more TH and more vapor.

Also X2s have longer cutoff times - you can take longer puffs and that's another factor.

 

[propagandax]

The manuals hit harder. Also the cutoff is longer on both, so you can take a bigger hit.

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[shardina]

I've noticed that the center battery posts on the X2s don't push down as easily as those on the slim batteries, allowing you to get a bigger gap for airflow when you screw on a CE3, and it seems to make the CE3s vape much better on the X2 than on the slim. The gap's only a tiny, tiny bit bigger but the draw's a little lighter for sure, enough to make it hit harder and faster.

 

[Baptyzmbyf1re]

I have only rarely used my smaller batts since I got my X2 batt. I am just in love with this thing. One the rare occasion it is actually dead, I plug it in and let it charge enough that I can use it as a passthrough style. I'm sure that I am going to kill this X2 some day and will need to order another. But, with the batt life I am getting, I am almost exclusively using it now. Maybe it was the change to the X2 clearo that made me stick with it since I can set it down standing up, which I can't do with the smaller batts. I do keep a coffee mug on my desk so that if I need to, I can connect a 78mm to the clearo and just set it in the coffee mug so I don't have to worry about laying the X2 clearo on its side and having issues.

That said, the X2 batt just performs great. Long life, perfect sized button and it just works. Love it!

 

[Mroutlaw]

perception, perception, perception. To me X2s really give more TH and more vapor.

Remember that these batteries are 3.6V regulated only in theory. But nothing is perfect and voltage certainly drops under load i.e. during actual vaping. I do strongly suspect that X2s have somewhat higher voltage under load (somebody with proper voltmeter please confirm) compared to 65mm or 78mm batteries (say, 3.5V for X2 vs 3.3V for 78mm) - and this would explain more TH and more vapor.

Also X2s have longer cutoff times - you can take longer puffs and that's another factor.

The small batteries are 3.6-3.7v under load. The x2 start out around 4.0v under load on a fresh charge and quickly drop to 3.6-3.7v under load after about 15-20 I demonstrate this in my video on the x2 battery on YouTube


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[Baptyzmbyf1re]

The small batteries are 3.6-3.7v under load. The x2 start out around 4.0v under load on a fresh charge and quickly drop to 3.6-3.7v under load after about 15-20 I demonstrate this in my video on the x2 battery on YouTube


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He has spoken! Thanks Mroutlaw!

 

[mudhill]

i guess it is in one's perception,,,i told my story and i'm sticking to it.


Larry

 

[betaalex]

The small batteries are 3.6-3.7v under load. The x2 start out around 4.0v under load on a fresh charge and quickly drop to 3.6-3.7v under load after about 15-20 I demonstrate this in my video on the x2 battery on YouTube

I've seen that video and it only shows that the X2 under load voltage is 4.00V right off the charger and 3.87V after 10 min of vaping. All it tells me is that these batteries use relatively cheap (but certainly adequate for the price) voltage regulation modules and voltage does not remain constant.

But I still wonder what is the voltage when battery is half-empty? Or 3/4 empty? And the same for 78mm? Mroutlaw, could you please measure that to two significant figures after decimal point?

Because just giving a 3.6-3.7V range not quite good enough here. 3.6V vs 3.7V may not sound like much of a difference, but remember that power is proportional to voltage squared and going from 3.6V to 3.7V translates into ~5% difference in power output. Well, for most people 5% difference is still hardly noticeable in everyday life (but clearly discernible in back-to-back comparisons). However, if you take, for example, 3.55V vs 3.7V - this already translates into ~8% difference in power - and 8% is already well above sensitivity threshold for most people.

 

[Mroutlaw]

I've seen that video and it only shows that the X2 under load voltage is 4.00V right off the charger and 3.87V after 10 min of vaping. All it tells me is that these batteries use relatively cheap (but certainly adequate for the price) voltage regulation modules and voltage does not remain constant.

But I still wonder what is the voltage when battery is half-empty? Or 3/4 empty? And the same for 78mm? Mroutlaw, could you please measure that to two significant figures after decimal point?

Because just giving a 3.6-3.7V range not quite good enough here. 3.6V vs 3.7V may not sound like much of a difference, but remember that power is proportional to voltage squared and going from 3.6V to 3.7V translates into ~5% difference in power output. Well, for most people 5% difference is still hardly noticeable in everyday life (but clearly discernible in back-to-back comparisons). However, if you take, for example, 3.55V vs 3.7V - this already translates into ~8% difference in power - and 8% is already well above sensitivity threshold for most people.

I'll see what I can do