Yet another Kayfun question...........

[drummerskey]

I have searched this extensively on Google and this forum but not too many results pop when I search. Set up is kayfun 3.1 (simple micro coil 28g - 1st try, 1.3ohms, second try 1.4/with cotton)/Provari. Coil heats up right, center to outside and no issues firing it. The cotton has been a varying degrees and I have re-wicked it a few times due to a muted taste.

The first time, I thought it was too little and the vape was inconsistent...some hits were AMAZING and the next one was no taste. I did get a burnt hit and it isn't that. The cotton was wrapped around the deck and caught in the chimney when threading.

Second try, I thought I used too little cotton with the first and used a method for more cotton at the suggestions of the local B&M and pretty much all the hits tasted like I was vaping unflavored. The tails were still pretty long, both 1 & 2 were cut at the diameter of the Provari

Third try, used about the same amount as the first try (which I thought was too little) but cut the tails to just long enough to hit the deck and a little extra..............I had to wait for the cotton taste to vape out but it still seems a little inconsistent and still got the muted/unflavored.

Any suggestions on a solution for an unflavored vape or a seriously muted taste either all the time or most of the time?

 

[gtrpickr]

I am not sure why your having those problems. I have my kayfun 3.1 setup with a micro coil, 28g running about 1.4ohm. I have my cotton wick just touching the deck at the channels, but I have also started taking a short peice of wick and laying it over the top of the coil, I wet it with juice and make sure it is making contact with the actual wick and that seems to work really well for me. I get really good flavor and vapor from this setup. I got this idea from apost where the guy took the wick and looped it back over the top of the coil. here is the post I seen.

Here's my latest wicking method, pretty much self explanatory.
1.5mm 12 wrap 28g a Nichrome…1.3ohm, The Nichrome has a little less resistance than Kanthal, requiring 12 wraps vs 8 with Kanthal to reach the same 1.2-1.3 rating, I wanted a little more coil surface area, we'll see how it performs when fully broken in…so far so good though.

 

[drummerskey]

That is a really long wick.......it looks like it covers the channels too.

I thought maybe it wasn't wicking well enough but I expected I would get dry hits/burnt hits if it wasn't wicking.......not what seems to be flavorless hits. On top of that, my vapor "smells" like the juice even when I get no taste and I picked up another set up and I could taste that so it wasn't vapor's tongue.

I don't have a lot of time on the latest set up with the wick ends just long enough to hit the deck and a smidge longer but after a half hour, it was still going between great taste and no taste, just not as bad as tries #1 and #2

 

[gtrpickr]

I have not tried the one pictured, I just took the idea of having a piece of wick covering the coil. Hopefully some other vapors with more knowledge can chime in to help you.

 

[Glenn_K]

The wick should cover the channels, in the sense of sitting on top of the grooves. The trick is not to block the grooves.

In terms of not getting much vapor taste, have you tried some other flavours? I find that certain e-liquids may taste great on certain RBAs, but seem bland on others. With fruits flavors, for example, I get better results with Genesis-style RBAs than on my KF clone.

-- Glenn

That is a really long wick.......it looks like it covers the channels too.

 

[drummerskey]

Hi Glenn.........taking a Provari forum vacation with me?

What I think is going to happen is that I am going to get home and my latest wick is going to be awesome actually. I do know that my wick was likely way too long on build one and two. My first coil was diagonal over the air hole and the wicks ran around the deck. This latest coil is at a 90 and the latest wick runs down like the bottom of the letter z from the coil.......just barely touching the deck and lying towards it slightly. I used way less cotton this last time too and maybe I just didn't wait my way through the break in period.

I don't know if it is the juice because it occasionally works and when it does; it works........just.........oh my.......well. So much that I thought about melting down my Protanks and making a necklace.

I would understand burnt taste, no vapor, shorted coils, etc but no taste at all has me baffled.

 

[drummerskey]

Sorry for the post, my wick was too long. Vaping awesome right now!

 

[crxess]

Flavor should get better as your wick matures - a day or so. Mine start out a touch lite and keep getting richer. Now on one that is a Month old and working fantastic.

Unroll Cotton ball
Cut length just longer than width of base
Cut lengthwise in 1/3rds - Assuming Nano coil(I wrap on 14ga needle)
Roll 1/3rd and feed through coil, fluff to touch coil well
Clip to width of Deck
Wet ends and stick to Coil riser sides at channels
Carefully install Chimney tube
* Roll second 1/3rd cotton piece
Place around inside of chimney tube
Wet(E-liquid) and lightly press down, making contact with Coil wick and sealing top of Channel chambers

Wet wick well with e-liquid, finish assembly and Fill

 

[Glenn_K]

Hi Glenn.........taking a Provari forum vacation with me?

Yes! On a tour through other regions of ECF, until the renovations are complete back at home.

Sorry for the post, my wick was too long. Vaping awesome right now!

Glad to hear it's working for you. As you perfect your coil building skills, it just gets better and better with the KF.

-- Glenn

 

[drummerskey]

Glad to hear it's working for you. As you perfect your coil building skills, it just gets better and better with the KF.

-- Glenn

Back to square one...............It was working.......then it wasn't working.......then I went to re-wick it............and thought, "hey, I have this 32g, make a higher ohm coil"..............then I ruin the coil while putting cotton in it............then I build a higher ohm coil with 28 for stability.........then it didn't work...........then I got really bad dry hits with the muted hits............. I have been on a mad rash today reading forum post after forum post to come up with a list of solutions

If anyone would like to add to my list of trouble shooting acquired from the forum, please do so. They are:

* Less Cotton
* Wick tails placement (away from channels, on channels)
* Larger diameter coil (currently running 1/16, moving to 2-2.5mm
* Length of wick (same as coil?)
* Trying not to over-compress cotton

 

[Megabyt]

...Now on one that is a Month old and working fantastic...

A month? On a single piece of cotton!!!!?

I'm lucky to get 3-4 days on my cotton wicks before the taste starts going south... I guess I'm doing it all wrong!

 

[PLANofMAN]

A month? On a single piece of cotton!!!!?

I'm lucky to get 3-4 days on my cotton wicks before the taste starts going south... I guess I'm doing it all wrong!

The clearer the ejuice, the less gunk on the coils.

@Drummerskey and Glenn_K - By the way, the ProVarinati are hanging out in the Provape forum these days. Link>>>ProVape

 

[jhelliwell]

I raise my coil well above the airhole, and get LOTS of flavour. I wrap my microcoil round a 1.5mm drill bit and attach the coil to the posts with the bit still inserted. I then gently pull the coil into place diagonally over the airhole, and lift it so that it sits fairly high (a lot higher than is normal I think).

It's a bit of a learning curve as to how much cotton to use. Not enough and you get pops and crackles as the coil doesn't get enough eliquid and burns too hot. Too much and you get the occasional dry hit. Just right and you'll know it because it's perfect.

I use cotton balls and find that it's easier threading cotton through that tiny coil if you don't compress the cotton first. I do compress a tip at one end of the cotton to start the threading of the cotton into the coil, and then the uncompressed stuff just slips through. I screw the combustion chamber on with the cotton tails sticking right up, and snip those tails about 1cm over the top of the chamber.

I then prime the tails with eliquid and gently tuck them over the juice channels, in an "S" shape, assemble the Kayfun, fill it, and that's around a week of flavoursome trouble free vaping for me.

I've tried building at various resistances, and it doesn't seem to matter for a regulated mod. I prefer 1.5ohms because the coil heats up faster.

 

[Jdbaker82]

so crackling isn't normal?

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[coalyard]

Coil height above the deck is really important. I would try starting with the bottom of the coil in line with the tops of the screws. Use just enough cotton to pull through the coil with a little resistance. Don't compress it too much, or roll it. Snip it to the same width as the base. Mounting your coil diagonally will allow the tails to sit more naturally on the lower deck. It is really surprising how little cotton you need to get it right. Good Luck.

 

[Cool-breeze]

PBusardo has a really good kayfun vid on youtube. He takes a while reviewing and giving his opinions. Wicking the kf is certainly more of an art than a science in my experience. Also another member mentioned earlier some liquids dont seem to do as well like fruits flavors. I've experienced this once. Omega by space jam has been one of my favorites for a couple months now and it tastes very poor in my kf. I thought I was building it wrong. Dropped a little 5pawns lucena in there and I was in love.

 

[blueGrassTubb]

Watch this video.

Copy it exactly. It's easy. It works.

 

[vapdivrr]

although most of the time its the build, sometimes it can be the atty. I have heard in certain instances that the device itself has flaws, like air flow blockages. there has been instances where there has been shards in the air flow screw, although unlikely it could be possible. if airflow is getting restricted, you will have issues. also I have seen some clones that have channels are are not cut deep or wide enough, again unlikely but possible. also if there are issues with the orings not sealing correctly, you also will have issues. so if you just purchased said device, it is first advised to check all this first. also like mentioned before, there are some fruit flavors that just don't work well in these type tanks, I have one juice that just tastes muted and there is nothing you can do. if all above is not the issue then most likely it is the wick. first I would move away from the 1/16 diameter coil, it will work but does take more to get it right. 2mm is a good size, it allows for more wicking material. the 28g is good but don't use the 32g for it is too thin and harder to work with. now if you twisted 2 strands of the 32g together, you now have a great wire. not sure how many wraps you have tried on your coil but try to stick between 8 to 12 and resistances between 1.3 to 1.8ish. coil height should be between 1 to 1.5mm from deck. from here its just practice. I know you have watched a lot of vids and there are loads out there but here is another, good luck. kayfun lite basics - YouTube

 

[Sandylp]

Vapdivrr, This is the best video that I have seen. I just left a comment on YouTube. The other reviewers didn't explain the importance or difference of a horizontal or angled position of the coil. Thanks again for taking the time and of explaining it so well.

 

[vapdivrr]

Vapdivrr, This is the best video that I have seen. I just left a comment on YouTube. The other reviewers didn't explain the importance or difference of a horizontal or angled position of the coil. Thanks again for taking the time and of explaining it so well.

thanks for the comment, appreciate it. perhaps my vids are longer then most but i do try to cover all the basis, i try to explain everything thats in my mind as i actually build something. unfortunately one thing that cannot be explained on video is the exact amount of cotton to use, and this is perhaps the most important as well.