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your stement of faith needs revamping.

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Sed Contra

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I saw what you were saying and if she could get on the board, she say a very big OOPS! It just wasn't posted correctly. She 200% believes that Jesus was God 100% in heaven, then 100% God and 100% man when He was on earth, then when He sat at the right hand of the Father, still 100% God. So I know she agrees with you and would UPDATE her verbiage.

I haven't read the statement of faith or the rest of this thread, but I think that it's important to affirm that Jesus is still a human being. One of the Trinity is one of us. A human being is seated at the right hand of God the Father, Almighty. One of us will come again to judge the living and the dead. Orthodox Christianity has never taught that Jesus ever lost his humanity.
 

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Saintscruiser;
She 200% believes that Jesus was God 100% in heaven, then 100% God and 100% man when He was on earth, then when He sat at the right hand of the Father, still 100% God.

This kind of preachin' always makes me wanna dance!!!!!!!!! :banana: :banana: :banana:

Yes! Good point Copy!!!! :thumbs:
 

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but I think that it's important to affirm that Jesus is still a human being. One of the Trinity is one of us. A human being is seated at the right hand of God the Father, Almighty.

.. and I believe this is true also!!!!!! :thumbs:

As a Pregnant Woman is somehow both two people in one, (or three!).... so is God the Father, and God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. We don't have to fully understand it to just embrace that it's one of those mysteries of God that will be fully understood once we reach the other side of Glory.
 

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.. and I believe this is true also!!!!!! :thumbs:

As a Pregnant Woman is somehow both two people in one, (or three!).... so is God the Father, and God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. We don't have to fully understand it to just embrace that it's one of those mysteries of God that will be fully understood once we reach the other side of Glory.

I don't think so. A pregnant woman is not two people. Rather, there are two people sharing one body for a time. Both people, the mother and the fetus, possess the same human nature, but are not the same person.

The issue here, however, when it comes to the person of Jesus, is not personhood, but natures. Does Jesus lose the human nature after ascending to heaven? The Church has never taught that He loses his humanity in the ascension; rather, we can still call him brother because He is still our brother in humanity. Because the Eternal Word humbled himself in the Incarnation to share in our humanity, we are able to participate, in him, in the divine life of God.

The Trinity is revealed in three persons who all share the same divine nature, but the person of Jesus has two natures - one human and one divine. Certainly both the Trinity and the dual natures of Jesus are mysteries, though!
 

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I don't think so. A pregnant woman is not two people. Rather, there are two people sharing one body for a time. Both people, the mother and the fetus, possess the same human nature, but are not the same person.

That 'is' what I felt I conveyed.... I oversimplify sometimes because I think that's where we as Christians err sometimes.... everything must be 'tit' for 'tat'....

We're over intellectualizing the Gospel sometimes to our detriments. History has taught us that and my soul yearns for the body of Christ to realize that.
 

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That 'is' what I felt I conveyed.... I oversimplify sometimes because I think that's where we as Christians err sometimes.... everything must be 'tit' for 'tat'....

I'm not trying to go "tit for tat" with you.

I do think that oversimplification can lead to error though and that precision of language is important - especially when we are simply trying to do our best to describe mysteries. For example, some use the analogy of H2O when trying to describe the Trinity: H2O has three forms - liquid, solid, and gas. However, the problem with this is that God does not simply change forms as water does when it turns into ice; rather, God is three persons and all three persons at the same time. The heresy involved in describing the Trinity as being like water has historically been called "modalism," where God simply changes modes; Christianity affirms God in three persons: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. The language matters, and such an oversimplification can easily be prone to error. I'm sure that error was not your intent; I'm simply trying to show how more precise language can help to avoid misunderstanding - and our misunderstanding goes to prove my point.

We're over intellectualizing the Gospel sometimes to our detriments. History has taught us that and my soul yearns for the body of Christ to realize that.

I agree to an extent, but I also think that sometimes an anti-intellectual approach (I'm not saying that you're doing necessarily doing this) can lead to the dumbing down of Christianity. We are called to love God with our minds, too, and not just with our hearts. I think that history has taught that when we check our minds at the door, it's far easier for the devil to creep in. God made us thinking creatures, and using our God-given intellect can glorify him. Some seem to think that it only matters what's in the heart, but what we think of God is important, as is how we discuss God - the words that we use, the thought behind how we do our best to describe the mysteries, and so on.
 

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    We're over intellectualizing the Gospel sometimes to our detriments. History has taught us that and my soul yearns for the body of Christ to realize that.

    I couldn't agree with you more.

    Can we touch faith yet we can experience faith.
    Can we see God yet we can experience God.
    Can we see prayer yet we can experience prayer.
    Can we see Jesus yet we can experience Jesus.

    Intellectually speaking these things are not possible yet those who are called children of God do experience them.
     

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    Knowing Cuz like I do, I knew what she meant. I realize Sed and MM, you were being explicit, which I think is wonderful. Besides, family needs to stick up for family! Okay....you wonder how we are related? I am a direct descendant of Robert the Bruce. She is a direct descendant of Mary Queen of Scots, whose son, James, became King of England after Elizabeth. James is the 'King James Version' James. On my Scottish side, Mary and James were my cousins. When we found that out we did the happy banana dance. (She looked better than me!) Anyway, we are very distant cousins.

    Okay, on to other things.....I think you were all pretty much saying the exact same thing. I've heard the egg used as an example. Jesus knows our every emotion. He went through them all, including betrayal, rejection, love, hate, being lied to, just go through the list. I don't know why, but it comforts me to know that He knows how I feel. Silly, I guess. I've even heard once, for sure, that I heard from God the Father. I personally like simple because salvation is so simple that a child can understand. :)
     

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    I personally like simple because salvation is so simple that a child can understand. :)

    Hallelujah and Amen!!! :thumbs:

    At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children." - Matthew 11:25
     

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    Hallelujah and Amen!!! :thumbs:

    At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children." - Matthew 11:25


    I love this verse! Matthew is my favorite Gospel. My youngest niece who is now in her thirties and pregnant for the 2nd time, Hallelujah, got saved when she was 6 years old. Our pastor wanted to be sure she understood what salvation was about, and she flat out told him and he thought, "Wow!" She knew what she was doing. It took me until I was in my 30's before I got saved. She is 100% proof of this verse. (I got my Christian radio through Pandora on and I'm having a Praise and Worship time!) :w00t:
     

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    I love this verse! Matthew is my favorite Gospel. My youngest niece who is now in her thirties and pregnant for the 2nd time, Hallelujah, got saved when she was 6 years old. Our pastor wanted to be sure she understood what salvation was about, and she flat out told him and he thought, "Wow!" She knew what she was doing. It took me until I was in my 30's before I got saved. She is 100% proof of this verse. (I got my Christian radio through Pandora on and I'm having a Praise and Worship time!) :w00t:

    The same goes for me.... I began attending Church at the age of 10 and EVEN at the tender of age of 10 I FELT the love, presence and calling of the Almighty Father in my Heart, so much so, that I could hardly wait for the Altar call, so that I could run down there and give my Heart (Forever!), and be saved. I know that I know that I know that THIS Child caught the revelation! :banana:

    Pretend I'm right there having Worship with you Cuz!!!!! :wub:
     
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