You're telling customers what?! TKO Knockout Vapor

[MsComptrtchr]

uhm...seriously? did you smoke before vaping? how long? do you think that smokers are *STUPID* and willingly do something that they know is causing them harm? omfg...seriously? so smokers can just stop at any given time even tho there are known additives that actually cause an addiction that isn't nicotine? cuz they know what they are doing? what in the crud?

We are not victims - to say that we are is to infer that we are stupid. I think we all knew that smoking was bad for us when we started and every time we glanced at the warning on the box we picked up. And that's why we are making the decision to quit and vape. Not everyone can, but that does not make them slaves or victims. No one from big tobacco is holding a cigarrette to our mouths and making us inhale.

 

[chellemmm]

He is, and forever will be, Snoop DAWGGG to me and BUTCH!! I think he is a hoot.

 

[Tripster]

He is, and forever will be, Snoop DAWGGG to me and BUTCH!! I think he is a hoot.

I had to politically correct if the PR Head checks this thread, lawl!

 

[chellemmm]

I also think that we were slaves to Big Tobacco. Many of us were targeted as children, before the big ANTZ push. Joe Camel. Free stuff for smoking Cowboy Killers. You've Come A Long Way Baby. I'd Rather Fight Than Switch. Come to Camel Country. No one put a LITERAL gun to my head, but they sure did do it on a subliminal level. Not to mention all of the CRAP ADDED to cigarettes to keep smokers enslaved to the drugs therein. Recidivism among smokers is higher than ...... users. We were HELPLESS in our addiction, which is why many of us are so grateful to have found vaping.

 

[Tripster]

If I were in the spotlight aka celebrity status/the like, I would not want fall with a company that blatantly utilizes unethical business practices.

Would you or would you not care since you believe your loyalty base will still follow you?

 

[zapped]

no i haven't but...i also don't look at a picture and deem someone anything...*especially* since you don't know the context. What if i was dressed up for a play or movie role as a .........am i automatically a ......? NO
i haven't seen reports of him kicking dogs or cheating on his wife or lying about things that affect me. even if i had listened to his lyrics...that is his job..i am sure you are different at home than at work....it's called a "persona". I guess i am a lot less judgmental that a lot of folks....not saying i am not at all...
GREED and being judgmental and attacking others is never attractive no matter what the arena

TBH I didnt even look at the way he was dressed.His blatant support for illicit drugs and calling women .....es and ho's was enough for me.I dont care if its just a persona he's adopting to make a living, thats not something I want my kids to be influenced by and thats MY decision.

Theres a difference between being judgmental and using sound judgment.I think younger generations such as yourself have been brainwashed into not having an opinion at all about things that should truly matter. 'Dont hate" and dont judge" are just another way of saying not to have any opinion but the politically correct one....or even worse none at all......makes you easier to fool and control that way, so dont chide me for having a mind and an opinion and choosing to use them on a public forum.

Outside of a child molester, I cant think of a worse spokesman for vaping than Snoop especially given his proclivity for "herbal" remedies and our long fight in the vaping world to distance ourselves as much as possible from the druggie culture.

 

[chellemmm]

I think he was too wasted to know just what the heck he was vaping. Did you look at the pictures?

If I were in the spotlight aka celebrity status/the like, I would not want fall with a company that blatantly utilizes unethical business practices.

Would you or would you not care since you believe your loyalty base will still follow you?

 

[Tripster]

TBH I didnt even look at the way he was dressed.His blatant support for illicit drugs and calling women .....es and ho's was enough for me.I dont care if its just a persona he's adopting to make a living, thats not something I want my kids to be influenced by and thats MY decision.

Theres a difference between being judgmental and using sound judgment.I think younger generations such as yourself have been brainwashed into not having an opinion at all about things that should truly matter. 'Dont hate" and dont judge" are just another way of saying not to have any opinion but the politically correct one....or even worse none at all......makes you easier to fool and control that way, so dont chide me for having a mind and an opinion and choosing to use them on a public forum.

Outside of a child molester, I cant think of a worse spokesman for vaping than Snoop especially given his proclivity for "herbal" remedies and our long fight to distance ourselves as much as possible from the druggie culture.

Snoop Lion altered his ego, he isn't that rapper anymore...hypocrite, yes but who isn't.

I think he was too wasted to know just what the heck he was vaping. Did you look at the pictures?

His PR Head was also manipulated into believing that thy were most likely fans who just so happened to have a business, they will have a field day with this since I know Snoop Lion/Record Company ain't making a cent off of this publicity stunt.

 

[Myrany]

We are not victims - to say that we are is to infer that we are stupid. I think we all knew that smoking was bad for us when we started and every time we glanced at the warning on the box we picked up. And that's why we are making the decision to quit and vape. Not everyone can, but that does not make them slaves or victims. No one from big tobacco is holding a cigarrette to our mouths and making us inhale.

so victems = stupid? A rape victem = stupid? No sorry you are so far out there I can't comprehend it. I am walking away from this thread now because I am going from angry with the company in question to angry with other posters and I really do NOT want to go there.

 

[Tripster]

so victems = stupid? A rape victem = stupid? No sorry you are so far out there I can't comprehend it. I am walking away from this thread now because I am going from angry with the company in question to angry with other posters and I really do NOT want to go there.

Likewise!

....

 

[MsComptrtchr]

Bottom line is that I chose to smoke and I chose to quit. Technically, we all have those choices - that's what makes our country so great!

Peace.

I also think that we were slaves to Big Tobacco. Many of us were targeted as children, before the big ANTZ push. Joe Camel. Free stuff for smoking Cowboy Killers. You've Come A Long Way Baby. I'd Rather Fight Than Switch. Come to Camel Country. No one put a LITERAL gun to my head, but they sure did do it on a subliminal level. Not to mention all of the CRAP ADDED to cigarettes to keep smokers enslaved to the drugs therein. Recidivism among smokers is higher than ...... users. We were HELPLESS in our addiction, which is why many of us are so grateful to have found vaping.

 

[zapped]

I think it's safe to say this thread has veered quite a bit off topic. Were all so mad at this vendor that were starting to let petty little differences in opinion cause us to argue, when we all basically agree on the same thing.

Everyone has their own slightly different perspective on it but the important thing is that we agree this business is bad.

For the sake of a good message getting lost to new vapers lets try to get things back on track and not quibble about the little things. If this gets closed for arguing, the bad guys win again.

 

[hottierockstar]

We are not victims - to say that we are is to infer that we are stupid. I think we all knew that smoking was bad for us when we started and every time we glanced at the warning on the box we picked up. And that's why we are making the decision to quit and vape. Not everyone can, but that does not make them slaves or victims. No one from big tobacco is holding a cigarrette to our mouths and making us inhale.

adding things to my cigarette without my knowledge...isn't a choice. the choice that i made to smoke was when i wasn't supposed to...as in too young to know better....oops sorry...by the time you know better it's too late...

TBH I didnt even look at the way he was dressed.His blatant support for illicit drugs and calling women .....es and ho's was enough for me.I dont care if its just a persona he's adopting to make a living, thats not something I want my kids to be influenced by and thats MY decision.

Theres a difference between being judgmental and using sound judgment.I think younger generations such as yourself have been brainwashed into not having an opinion at all about things that should truly matter. 'Dont hate" and dont judge" are just another way of saying not to have any opinion but the politically correct one....or even worse none at all......makes you easier to fool and control that way, so dont chide me for having a mind and an opinion and choosing to use them on a public forum.

Outside of a child molester, I cant think of a worse spokesman for vaping than Snoop especially given his proclivity for "herbal" remedies and our long fight in the vaping world to distance ourselves as much as possible from the druggie culture.

ok...one...do NOT judge me and presume to know ANYTHING about me.
"younger generations"...i would be willing to bet that i am older than you, don't hate? don't judge? have no opinion? if you READ what i said...it is actually don't hate and judge without all of the facts.....using "sound judgement" requires having all of the facts....and you do NOT.
I have an opinion....doesn't mean i have to agree with you....and it doesn't really matter to me if you like it or not....pretty sure that is the antithesis of PC...many have tried to fool me or control me...i won't have it...but i also don't live in FEAR that anyone can

as far as judging snoop dog...it is YOUR responsibility to teach your children right and wrong and if they can be influenced by a public figure...you haven't done your job.
forbid it and pretend it doesn't exist techniques sure aren't working for today's parents now are they?
i was not sheltered in any way and still manage/d to differentiate between right and wrong
and who said he was a vaping spokesperson because he is holding a ecig in a photo?

 

[MsComptrtchr]

so victems = stupid? A rape victem = stupid? No sorry you are so far out there I can't comprehend it. I am walking away from this thread now because I am going from angry with the company in question to angry with other posters and I really do NOT want to go there.

Not at all - I said nothing about rape victims. I was responding ONLY to this quote, "do you think that smokers are *STUPID* and willingly do something that they know is causing them harm?".

To say that we did not know smoking caused us harm was to infer that we are stupid (cause I'm pretty sure we all knew that smoking was bad for us in some way or another.) Rape and smoking - not even close to comparable. Let's not go THERE please.

 

[The Ocelot]

I think maybe some of the confusing is that the company presents (and had presented) itself in different ways. First, "KOV - Knockout Vapor" was a "caring" company (cf. the first video link), plus:

“My name is James A Spargo and as the Founder of KOV Electronic Cigarettes, I pledge to each and ever KOV client that I will work relentlessly in pursuit of the absolute best products anywhere so that I can further better the transition from traditional “cancer sticks” to a total vapor lifestyle! I truly believe my conversion to KOV Electronic Cigarettes saved my and my family’s lives, and I will work to provide you with all the same experience”.

Then the presentation sort of morphed:

Earlier this year the website (now using the TKO moniker for the whole company, instead of just a product line) was covered with pictures of the Snoop photo op - perhaps they thought it was cool; whatever. But now the site has been completely redesigned, with the hip/cool/rap/whatever they were aiming for toned down on the website and played up on the fb page.

Caveat emptor is certainly a good concept to keep in mind when making any purchase, but it isn't always possible for the buyer to have enough information to make an informed decision. Buying your first e-cig isn't like buying a dishwasher. Just try and find consumers reports on different products - I did, and ended up with Green Smoke. How can you research a product when you aren't sure what it's called? It appears to me that TKO isn't targeting people who have made a conscious effort to try electronic cigarettes and have the resources (and the ability to find the resources) to comparison shop. They are targeting people shopping in the mall. if you shop online, how often do you go to a mall?

To try and stop smoking is an emotional journey. One may have unsuccessfully tried cold turkey, patches, gum, etc., and with each failure there is less of a chance of success with the next effort. It's frustrating; it's depressing. It isn't like buying a dishwasher. I've never cried because I thought a household appliance wouldn't work. I have never been afraid to turn on a microwave for fear that if it didn't work it would be my fault.

So when a smoker tentatively looks around a kiosk, literally smelling like smokey prey, having a clerk (as directly by the employer) tell them all of the true benefits of e-cigarettes - but then selling kits at criminally inflated prices - is parasitic and evil.

 

[chellemmm]

Dang. Ocelot? See what happens?

 

[zapped]

adding things to my cigarette without my knowledge...isn't a choice. the choice that i made to smoke was when i wasn't supposed to...as in too young to know better....oops sorry...by the time you know better it's too late...

ok...one...do NOT judge me and presume to know ANYTHING about me.
"younger generations"...i would be willing to bet that i am older than you, don't hate? don't judge? have no opinion? if you READ what i said...it is actually don't hate and judge without all of the facts.....using "sound judgement" requires having all of the facts....and you do NOT.
I have an opinion....doesn't mean i have to agree with you....and it doesn't really matter to me if you like it or not....pretty sure that is the antithesis of PC...many have tried to fool me or control me...i won't have it...but i also don't live in FEAR that anyone can

as far as judging snoop dog...it is YOUR responsibility to teach your children right and wrong and if they can be influenced by a public figure...you haven't done your job.
forbid it and pretend it doesn't exist techniques sure aren't working for today's parents now are they?
i was not sheltered in any way and still manage/d to differentiate between right and wrong
and who said he was a vaping spokesperson because he is holding a ecig in a photo?

In the spirit of my last post Im now placing you on ignore.Your ineffectual attempt at argument serves zero purpose in this thread.

Buh Bye!

 

[zapped]

I think maybe some of the confusing is that the company presents (and had presented) itself in different ways. First, "KOV - Knockout Vapor" was a "caring" company (cf. the first video link), plus:

“My name is James A Spargo and as the Founder of KOV Electronic Cigarettes, I pledge to each and ever KOV client that I will work relentlessly in pursuit of the absolute best products anywhere so that I can further better the transition from traditional “cancer sticks” to a total vapor lifestyle! I truly believe my conversion to KOV Electronic Cigarettes saved my and my family’s lives, and I will work to provide you with all the same experience”.

Then the presentation sort of morphed:

Earlier this year the website (now using the TKO moniker for the whole company, instead of just a product line) was covered with pictures of the Snoop photo op - perhaps they thought it was cool; whatever. But now the site has been completely redesigned, with the hip/cool/rap/whatever they were aiming for toned down on the website and played up on the fb page.

Caveat emptor is certainly a good concept to keep in mind when making any purchase, but it isn't always possible for the buyer to have enough information to make an informed decision. Buying your first e-cig isn't like buying a dishwasher. Just try and find consumers reports on different products - I did, and ended up with Green Smoke. How can you research a product when you aren't sure what it's called? It appears to me that TKO isn't targeting people who have made a conscious effort to try electronic cigarettes and have the resources (and the ability to find the resources) to comparison shop. They are targeting people shopping in the mall. if you shop online, how often do you go to a mall?

To try and stop smoking is an emotional journey. One may have unsuccessfully tried cold turkey, patches, gum, etc., and with each failure there is less of a chance of success with the next effort. It's frustrating; it's depressing. It isn't like buying a dishwasher. I've never cried because I thought a household appliance wouldn't work. I have never been afraid to turn on a microwave for fear that if it didn't work it would be my fault.

So when a smoker tentatively looks around a kiosk, literally smelling like smokey prey, having a clerk (as directly by the employer) tell them all of the true benefits of e-cigarettes - but then selling kits at criminally inflated prices - is parasitic and evil.

A pimple or better yet a large boil on the ... of society comes to mind.

 

[chellemmm]

Zapped: Hottie is cool people. Y'all are getting worked up over peripheral things. We lost our focus, starting with the "Dbag" comment that got so many of us riled up. Fight the Good Fight and all that...

 

[The Ocelot]

Bottom line is that I chose to smoke and I chose to quit. Technically, we all have those choices - that's what makes our country so great!

Peace.

I don't want to jump on you, because I understand your point, but not all of us are young enough to have been told the dangers of smoking. My parents smoked, my teachers smoked; there were no warning labels. No one told my mom that smoking when she was pregnant might contribute to me having a learning disorder. By the time the true dangers of smoking were out in the open, I was already an addict - I may even have been predisposed to addiction from prenatal exposure, who knows?

I smoked for 40 years and assumed I would be buried with a cigarette between my lips. If someone can make the decision to stop smoking and be able to do so is beyond fabulous. We're talking a blessing from above. But it's important to keep in mind that many people did not make a conscious decision to start smoking while aware of the dangers.