Zamplebox getting destroyed on ECR v. truth comes out about their house juices

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So you excuse shady, fairly unethical practices by saying "well thats just how business is done."

Business doesn't HAVE to be done this way. There are genuine, honest companies out there who have larger goals than simply pursuing profits. Just because a practice is common in business, does not excuse its ethics. There are A TON of unethical things done in business every single day, that consumers are unaware of. That doesn't make them any less shady.

For the record, most people's problem with this whole ordeal is Tony's flat out lies and deceptive tactics. Not necessarily the premise. Once again, you can excuse a liar all you want, that doesn't mean others have to accept it as "just a part of business."

what on earth are you referring too?
what deceptive practice?
if he wants to make gourmet juice under a different
label or more,if its good juice so what?
look at the board of directors of any company.
most if not all have business interests outside the
company that that are benefiting in some way
from the company.there is nothing unethical
about it.
nothing to see here.
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Never mentioned anything about pathogens, just poor and unprofessional practice selling e liquids at a premium price $6.75 for 10 ml of single flavor thrown together under a dirty shelf, nic solution handled without gloves, sketchy measurements, no steeping, all ingredients added with already used pipettes in a 'slap dash' fashion.

Nothing wrong with that, right> I doubt you would buy this stuff yourself given the choice of vendors using pristine labs and good recipes and handling in a befitting manner of a product for human consumption.

so we let the FDA set the standards?
there are plenty of health,safety and manufacturing
regs on the books.
good practices are good practices. if i walked in a place
that was dirty and disheveled that would be my first hint to
perhaps not buy there. places with poor quality control won't
stay in business long anyway.
if you understand that the ingredients are already FDA approved
as food or pharmaceutical grade and certified as such by the
manufacturers one would have to deliberately add contaminants
to adulterate the juice. mixing four or five stable ingredients together
is not the same as extracting plutonium and need not be treated
as such. common sense standards that one would use anyway
with out regulations are sufficient. a clean neat well organised
work area does not require obtrusive,expensive nor excessive
regulation.
at any rate where are all these mysterious basement or garage juice
making operations? who are running them? are there children present?
under what deplorable conditions do they operate under? do they
employ undocumented workers?
all these fixes for a so far non-existent problem and if were
a problem would be fixed naturally as the industry matures.
i'll give you the rubber gloves though.
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mike
 

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I never heard about ZB until Reddit's PSA, I thank them for that information, and will never use the service. Since reading the original article I did notice number of YT video's seemingly from affiliate's looking to get a free bottle of who knows what. Just like this (unbiased) review I read on ECF tonight, which includes the affiliates link, something I thought would not be allowed on ECF.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ws/640625-honest-review-zamplebox-w-tldr.html
 

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It's actually called being dishonest, disingenuous and purposefully misleading your customers. Great way to run your business.

it is none of those things. most people never received so called house blends.
it is neither dishonest,disingenuous nor misleading to own more than one
business or to supply a business you own. ever hear of Amazon?
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it is none of those things. most people never received so called house blends.
it is neither dishonest,disingenuous nor misleading to own more than one
business or to supply a business you own. ever hear of Amazon?
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And you know this how? Are you connected with the business, or do you somehow have inside info on it? From the posts, it seemed that quite a lot of people got these, and often as a large percentage of their box.

Also, it seemed like many who did get lots of the CC were new Zamplebox subscribers, who might be less likely to notice the difference than the longer-term subscribers.

Plus, Tony admitted that CC got paid more for their e-liquids than any of the other participants. Is that fair to the other companies, who pay (in greatly reduced prices) for the promotion?

Tony said that CC has been out of business for several months. Why, then are people still getting CC liquid in their Zampleboxes? After all, aren't his subscribers paying for samples of juice that they might want to buy more of? Selling them discarded inventory from a defunct company that Tony owns is not what the customers were told they were buying.

And Amazon started out only selling products they distributed; now they also offer products from other distributors and manufacturers as well. And they always CLEARLY state whether you're buying direct from Amazon, or from an affiliated company.
 

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it is none of those things. most people never received so called house blends.
it is neither dishonest,disingenuous nor misleading to own more than one
business or to supply a business you own. ever hear of Amazon?
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It was totally disingenuous & deceitful, because Tony ORIGINALLY DENIED IT, HE LIED! From Reddit Zamples responses were very limited to what we found, straight up denying any involvement in anything other then purchasing from clear creek liquid. The company registration for clear creek, OWNED by one Antonio Mandarano (Tony from zamplebox) https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/comments/2zu2x0/psa_the_truth_about_zample_box/

Your constant comparisons to Amazon, or multifaceted corporations, is itself disingenuous, utterly ridiculous, irrelevant & distracting. We're talking about ZB not Amazon, or General Electric, & it's clearly documented that Tony from ZB lied.

I had never heard of ZB prior to the Reddit review, then I watched PBusardo Dec 10, 2014 supposedly spontaneous video to talk to Tony about ZB. Finally after having to sit through 16:30 minutes about nothing but dangerous batteries and ignorant vapors, and ignorant shop owners, and exploding mods the script plays out. Tony says of course your juice is going to taste terrible with a .05ohm build at 100W, Tony just said his customers are ignorant, if his juice tastes bad, but then we know exploding mods and .05ohm builds aren't the problem don't we.

I then followed Tony on YouTube as he visited a new suppliers facility, and lab. They removed two tyvek suits which I assume were worn before as they were removed unsealed from a locker, the lab contained one 55 gallon drum each of VG &PG, each sitting on the floor & what appeared to be a dozen half empty bottles, of secret flavoring on open shelving, um um fresh. Tony then pointed out the labs (lol) 2 Stainless steel tables, how impressive clearly a state of the art facility, haha.
 

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There was no confidential information revealed, the connection was found through a whois lookup for the(short lived) website and through the business listing with the state of Washington which are both public record. It was shady because the juice by all accounts I've seen was bad and all tasted the same and he actively denied that there was any connection until incontrovertible evidence was presented. The point of a juice subscription service is to try new juices to buy in the future and the owner has made a point of saying that they don't favor any of the juice manufacturers, even if it had been good it wasn't available for sale anywhere and he can't honestly claim to be impartial and then start shipping out his own juice while hiding the connection. It was a shell game to hide that ZB was making their own juices.

Owning both companies was a conflict of interest and the fact that he tried so hard to deny it shows that he knew it was, hopefully he learns from it but he deserves to be called out for it. I'm not sure how you think that the people calling him out over this stand to gain anything financially, him and his company are the only ones that stand to gain or lose anything monetarily.
 
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That's some fun shadiness/drama there...lol.

The part i can't get over (minus the obv bad business ethics) is that apparently you have to "watch a video" before you unsubscribe to the service?

Anyone know anything more about that?

That just seems like craziness, and honestly i'd be pretty ...... if i had to jump through hoops to unsubscribe.

Thats when you let your bank or CC know to not allow charges from that company no matter what.

Id much rather do that then have somebody make me do something so i dont get what i dont want.

That alone is crap and the sign of shaddy business. I really hope this gets out and Tony looses everything hes ever made from scamming us.
 

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have you received these house juices? i have received 7 months (42 bottles) so far and no house juices. {MODERATED} all i am saying is that i have been very satisfied with the excellent juice i have received.
 
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I'm a business owner who is very proud of my high ethics, so I've given this subject quite a bit of thought since I read about it last night. Quite honestly, I'm leaning toward siding with Tony's suporters, because I understand the ins and outs of business, and I also asked myself this question: What if the "house" juice had been really good? It opens up a whole new perspective, which I'll explain after I get some feedback. I find this a very fascinating topic of conversation, so I'm open to hearing everyone's answer to this question. I'm definitely not here to argue and fight, but a clean, friendly debate is a great tool for learning and growth. :)
 
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