Zenesis 2 "The Works" Launch Day Edition ...?!

[hazozita]

@Hazozita: How do you like the new carto set-up?

With the strong disclaimer that I have had little time to play with this and learn its in and outs, if I were to sum up my experience so far with two words, they would be: "really unimpressed." (or perhaps "really underwhelmed").

But, early impressions are often wrong, so I’ll post more once I have spent more time with it.

 

[anotheraznguy]

so there is a bit of battery rattle even on the 18650 aw imr button top

loaded up the cartotank... includes 1 carto which i believe is boge. measured resistance at the connector to be 2.0 ohms with the carto loaded.

there are 4 air holes along the side of the cartotank so there is no chance of leakage to battery...

the draw is cool and airy but flavor is good. vapor seems to be lacking a bit. battery voltage currently is 4.1 volts... so the wattage is 8.4 so it could be the way the design of the cartotank is...

the button itself has a resistance of .4 ohms

so if you add the resistance of the carto + button which is 2.4 total the total power output is 7.0 which is how it does feel...

Note this is me using a sperry dm-6400 multimeter and i am curious what you guys are seeing.

if i am not doing my calculations correctly please let me know.

Also since this is my first mechanical, what is an acceptable ammount of resistance from a switch/button. Thanks

 

[vision83]

I can't believe the battery rattle on all sizes... 18650 18490 and 18350. All with the exact battery they recommend AW button top. There must be reason for this? Zen? add a fuse? add a Kick? I don't get it???

Anyways the AW 18650 is a good battery but now that it rattles in the tube I am going to try a better performing battery -

Link for battery sizes length -
Battery test-review 18650 summary

Link for a better performing battery and it is longer "so it may not rattle" and no need for o-rings.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...0-2900mah-high-drain-version-part-1-a-10.html

Let me know what you guys think?

 

[anotheraznguy]

@vision btw i threw on a effest imr 18650 2200 mah and it was too long (some of the threads were peeking through) so hopefully you can find the right size.

 

[vision83]

@vision btw i threw on a effest imr 18650 2200 mah and it was too long (some of the threads were peeking through) so hopefully you can find the right size.

I didn't see that battery in the size list... But what I do see is the RED IMR AW button top 1600 mah and 2000 mah are almost exactly 65mm long. Also I have been looking at the switch and since battery sizes do vary (not much with the same model) but with different models/brands, it would be nice if the black plastic insert on the switch was threaded/adjustable.

 

[ninfreak]

battery rattle is there by design....has been since inception of the first generation of zenesis. and yes there is a reason for this. back when the zenesis was just to be released, the aw 2000 mah 18650's came out, they were longer at that time than the 1600's(they are identical now) zen had to go back and redo the delrin piece in the switch to accept the new size battery. since then he has left it this way with play(rattle) in the event battery tolerances are off again. I hear people ..... about this all the time, it is no big deal, if the rattle bothers you that bad throw some O-rings in there

 

[hazozita]

Spent a bit more time with mine and have gone quite a bit of juice (Quantum black walnut, one of my favorites). Got a rather serious nic buzz going at the moment, and I’m on the verge of modifying my initial impression of “greatly underwhelmed” to “really ...... that I dropped $200 on this.”

The build quality is good, but not great. A clear notch below others in its price class, such as the Super-T ELA (which I had the opportunity to play with courtesy of a friend while I wait, and wait, and wait for mine to arrive).

The battery rattle (using an AW 18650) is really annoying, and the switch is crunchy and stiff in operation.

But, all of those issues could be forgiven if the vape was something truly different than a carto tank. It’s not. It’s a carto tank.

So far I’ve tried a 2.0 ohm Boge and a 1.6 ohm horizontal coil Kanger. I also set up traditional carto tanks with the same cartos and same juice. Also put the traditional tanks on mechanicals (a Silver Bullet and a Legacy) with fresh from the charger 18650s all round. Bounced between each setup. No real difference between any of the setups. Big difference between the Boge and the Kanger, but a Boge (or Kanger) in a traditional carto tank on a mechanical vapes the same as the Boge (or Kanger) in the Zen.

I’d love to try an Ikenvape carto but the only ones I have are flanged, which won’t work in the Zen.

Not happy.....

 

[vision83]

battery rattle is there by design....has been since inception of the first generation of zenesis. and yes there is a reason for this. back when the zenesis was just to be released, the aw 2000 mah 18650's came out, they were longer at that time than the 1600's(they are identical now) zen had to go back and redo the delrin piece in the switch to accept the new size battery. since then he has left it this way with play(rattle) in the event battery tolerances are off again. I hear people ..... about this all the time, it is no big deal, if the rattle bothers you that bad throw some O-rings in there

I was thinking the same, but with that knowledge why not make the switch adjustable? You can adjust the throw of the switch by adding a washer Then be able to adjust the plastic insert. And not talking 10mm of adjustment maybe 3-5mm and then set it to accept a battery from 65mm to 68mm in size. Many mods on the market (Orion) do this with a spring that can compress more with a longer battery and less with shorter battery. So make the black plastic insert spring loaded or threaded... Just a thought.

 

[Ojen924]

The rattle is horrible and the hybrid atomizer won't even fire. The adjustment screw won't even turn... I am very unhappy with my purchase.

 

[anotheraznguy]

also.. the pre-rolled wicks don't even fit. the od of the wick is quick a bit thinner than the id of the wick hole.

 

[sachavaca]

hmm been down this road and thankfull I did not go down it again. same old stuff differant day

 

[vision83]

The rattle is horrible and the hybrid atomizer won't even fire. The adjustment screw won't even turn... I am very unhappy with my purchase.

The rattle is bad but it can be fixed... Also if you are referring to allan keyed screw under the atty or carto it doesn't adjust there. Someone please confrim. Also the screw under carto tank does come off.. But the screw under the atty is on there very tight I wasn't going to try to break it.

 

[anotheraznguy]

also of note... the switch is a spring and not a magnet in case people were wondering.

 

[vision83]

also of note... the switch is a spring and not a magnet in case people were wondering.

This is true... also take a look at Zen's thoughts on switches with springs-
Directly from his website -
Q ~ Is the Zenesis vented for battery safety?
A~ The Zenesis PV is not traditionally vented with standard holes but the battery end has safety features that are important to note:
~ There is no spring holding the battery in contact, so when the button is not
depressed, there is no electrical connection. Springs in a PV can represent risk of unwanted connection.
~ The switch mechanism has air space designed into it; in the event of a battery that vents, the gasses will pass through the air space and out the sides between the button and the switch housing. The gasses will cause the air channel to increase with pressure. This is by design

 

[Tanks]

zen is not on my favorite list at the moment cuz the spring in my zau broke....
waiting to get an address from electronicstix to get it repaired...not happy....it was only a month old.

..., how did you manage to break the spring? You mean the one for the center post? My ZAU has never had an issue with that spring and Zen's products are ALWAYS top notch; the best quality on the market. My Zenesis 2 Carto Tank is flawless and vapes AMAZING. My ZAU is flawless and vapes AMAZING as long as the coil/wick are good and my Zenesis 2 DX-650 works perfect with my ZAU on top.

My point is; Zen doesn't make crappy gear. If your spring broke I'm willing to bet it was caused by some sort of user error/misuse. Regardless, they will probably have you taken care of and either replace the Atty or send you a new spring.

I still can't understand how you managed to break that spring...

 

[evgeny131]

..., how did you manage to break the spring? You mean the one for the center post? My ZAU has never had an issue with that spring and Zen's products are ALWAYS top notch; the best quality on the market. My Zenesis 2 Carto Tank is flawless and vapes AMAZING. My ZAU is flawless and vapes AMAZING as long as the coil/wick are good and my Zenesis 2 DX-650 works perfect with my ZAU on top.

My point is; Zen doesn't make crappy gear. If your spring broke I'm willing to bet it was caused by some sort of user error/misuse. Regardless, they will probably have you taken care of and either replace the Atty or send you a new spring.

I still can't understand how you managed to break that spring...

When i email e-stix for repair they were EXTREMELY helpful so I give all the credit to them for helping resolve the problem, getting me an address and answering questions.
However, moving on to why and how it broke- I DONT KNOW....lol...i was asked by e-stix if i sub-ohm because that will cause it to break faster.....Im not gonna confirm what ohms i vape at right now cuz my atty is being repaired under warranty, but i was also told the the ZAU is built to work with 32 awg kanthal @ 1.8ohm resistance

 

[evgeny131]

on another note, i love my zen sidewinder camo....i kno zen doesnt make crappy gear or i wouldn't buy it, that was more of a frustration thing lol, i just think there could be a potential limitation to how hard one can push a ZAU, confirmed by e-stix the other day in my emails back and forth...they (zau's r not designed for sub-ohm vaping...)
edit: to be honest i loved the zau, but as i started lowering resistances and buying poldiacs, I felt the limit of the zau, im not sure how that spring broke, because it worked fine one evening, in the morning when took the atty off the poldiac and was gonna put it on another battery the pin felt completely lax...it could have been a bad turn of the connector while checking resistance just as well....however i don't recall that happening

 

[Tanks]

i've come to accept that.. the battery rattle we shall see how bad it is. vapemail says tomorrow delivery.. also anyone know where i could pick up extra switches?

Ya; buy another Z2 mod on ElectroNicStix.com lol

That's why I didn't buy "The Works" It was cheaper to buy 3 complete mods (Dx-650, Z2 Carto Tank 18490 and Z2 Brevis). Personally, I bought a Z2 Carto Tank (18490) and a DX-650

 

[floridaBMW]

What's the revolution in Zens carto system? He mentioned in a video that the carto taste is not there and much better. I don't like cartos for that reason but was intrigued by his statement. Apologies if this was covered already.

Thanks,
Ken

 

[evgeny131]

also, i just heard from the e-stix help desk....and i was told that zen attys are coiled the way the are for insurance purposes....to prevent damage to the battery from too much current flow, venting and such....so a huge NO to sub-ohms on the zau...lol...at this point its up to an individual's discretion...i understand where zenesis is coming from with that- to protect themselves from our stupidity lol...however, i can also see a big difference in voltage drop compared to a DID regardless of ohms, and i think the design of the atty should be changed to avoid this problem in the future...im sure im not the only one who had this happen...i don't see the need for a spring inside an atty, imho the simpler the better....a solid brass or copper rod would be great, however i dont want to DIY a $150 atty and will be glad to have it back in working condition....anyways....any thoughts on this?