ZMAX with the Magic 8th Menue
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AHAHAHAHA I LOVED 4 minutes in lmao that was too funny. Also funny how he uses his sunglasses 
Hi Buzz , this chart and the translation should be correct in this link http://translate.googleusercontent....st-da/&usg=ALkJrhjn_q5cMdAhsVG4Yr71x4pdEv2ivw
show the readings in RMS mode.
Can you post how those readings compare to yours.
Thanks in advance.
show the readings in RMS mode.
Can you post how those readings compare to yours.
Thanks in advance.
I do not go in to that much detail I just do a simple review. I hook it up to my scope a take a few readings at 3.0, 3.5, 3.9 and so on up the scale.
I found the new Zmax to run cool in the newest version. All I can say is you can take my word or take someone elses or get your own stuff and see for your self. That might not be the answer you were looking for but its the only answer I have.
I am looking for software so I can show my scope in the review so my reviews wont involve so much faith.
I grew up in Central IL. A little town called Rushville I see you are in IL you might of herd of it.
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Thanks for the video... Mine should be here tomorrow as I couldn't resist the spookygood sale... BTW, don't forget SSVmax.8 in your siggie... If it will fit... LOL
A little after 2min in, are you using the extended battery cap with an 18650, or was it a different battery?
A little after 2min in, are you using the extended battery cap with an 18650, or was it a different battery?
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A regular scope cannot properly measure RMS. Instead it measures median voltage. That is probably why its reading wrong again. The new Stainless Steel Vmaxes are probably finally calibrated correctly for RMS. (or at least calibrated as close as mass production allows?)
Well if you'll take a look at FieldOfVapor's review on the old Zmax, you'll see what I mean. You can't truly read the ohm of the voltage when a device is calibrated using RMS because the meters you can buy in most PV shops measure a different duty. Heres the video I got my information from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar0v-U3ZQno&feature=plcp He explains that our volt meters measure AVERAGE voltage, and what they need to do is measure the RMS, or the ROOT duty. Is this making any sense? It only barely makes sense to me. lol. But if you watch the video it will make a lot more sense to you.
The formula is as follows: Vmax x Square Root of the "Duty" = actual voltage of PWM (pulse width modulated) PV.
The formula is as follows: Vmax x Square Root of the "Duty" = actual voltage of PWM (pulse width modulated) PV.
Yes that much I do under stand but Im not using a multimeter Im useing a DSO203 MINI Kit, 72MHz, 4-CH, STM32 Metal shell *NEWEST VERSION* Oscilloscope I got it just because all the Chinese mods use a frequency not readable on a multimeter.
I Have a VDC and VPP read out Its a given this is just a hobby for me I am not an expert but I believe the numbers I see I always test it on an unregulated battery before each test to make sure it is working correctly. If I had to do the math Id just screw it up ;-) Thats why I got the scope!
Im always learning and I do not want to put out bad info I do have some Modding friends Ill find out If Im doing the readings correctly and If I have the info wrong I will do a correction.
I Have a VDC and VPP read out Its a given this is just a hobby for me I am not an expert but I believe the numbers I see I always test it on an unregulated battery before each test to make sure it is working correctly. If I had to do the math Id just screw it up ;-) Thats why I got the scope!
Im always learning and I do not want to put out bad info I do have some Modding friends Ill find out If Im doing the readings correctly and If I have the info wrong I will do a correction.
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yeah I have no idea if your doing them right or not buzz. I'm terrible at math. I have no idea what a duty is and I certainly don't want to multiply them. lol. but i'm just trying to relay what i've found. please talk to your friends and let us know because I am interested.
He is not doing this correctly. It is in fact regulated correctly, atleast very close, almost as small as a variance as a provari. Also MEA is the old mode so he took the wrong readings with the wrong equipment
hmm an honest mistake if this is true. I would of done the same thing a week ago had I not seen the video I posted here earlier in the thread. Interesting. So have you personally metered the new SS zmax glauserjg? And if so, your saying it IS accurate? As accurate as a Provari? and if so, do you think it might have the same self-tuning feature as the Provari v.2 has?
He is not doing this correctly. It is in fact regulated correctly, atleast very close, almost as small as a variance as a provari. Also MEA is the old mode so he took the wrong readings with the wrong equipment
Pleas enlighten me then Why dose the Oscilloscope not produce an accurate reading? I did the test on both menus both were not accurate the same test on the Provari was accurate So why the different reading?
Pleas enlighten me then Why dose the Oscilloscope not produce an accurate reading? I did the test on both menus both were not accurate the same test on the Provari was accurate So why the different reading?
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Here is a link to a German test that did the tests right Und sie bewegt sich doch! Zmax V2.0 RMS ist da.. » Mountain Prophet
Use the translate option on the left side of the screen.
Use the translate option on the left side of the screen.
The accuracy on the V2 zmax with RMS on is very cery close to the accuracy of a provari- check out the results and findings on the link I posted. Solemn Penguin also did some very extensive tests where he found the same thing.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...h-zmax-owners-pics-tips-tricks-quirks-40.html
I own a v1 and v2 zmax and a provari. The v2 zmax is night and day better than the v1 in all aspects and for almost half the price of the provari v2 it is a better buy in my book. I love my provari but with the new stuff that is coming out, 180-200 dollars it is no longer worth
http://www.4tronix.co.uk/files/DS203_Manual.pdf
My Scope is equipped with auto read RMS the above link is the specks for the model I have. I did not measure the Wattage side as its never been to much in question but If I were to measure the ohms of my test equip all hooked up and take some readings and do the math Id get an accurate reading there, Also With out auto read RMS on my Scope I could divide the wave in to segments on graph paper and do the math also and get the readings.
I can agree The RMS menue is closer but I just dont see its right on. Yes for 80$ less you do have a ok Mod but it is not as good IMO I guess part of my problem with this is. We have been their Guinna pigs They have not replaced all of their crappy preforming units, They have copied design from Provari. They make no apology for selling us very poor preforming models in the past. I think the 80 extra dollars is better spent on the mod that's not close but is what it says. Everything Ive read so far says its almost as close or close enough to not matter.
But none say better.
When the Chinese produce the same quality, material ,accuracy, and customer support Ill be happy to shout from every roof top that they have done it. But Ive seen nothing yet to warrant doing that. This Mod IMO is at the upper end of mediocre but dose not have what it takes to be classified as high end.
I agree with the guinea pigs part, I too dont think it is right to leave the V1 owners out in the cold after some spent 130 dollars on it
. I respect your opinion and defend your right to share it; hopefully I did not come off as defensive in any way. I dont support any mod over any other and try to look at things as unbiased as possible. My point with all this is that all these new mods that keep getting more accurate are ultimately good for us. More competition equals better products at better prices. I hope that one day provape drops the price of the provari so more people can afford it. I still think at it's current price point the provari is overpriced in comparison to what you can buy much cheaper; the zmax rms v2 being one of them.Just wanted to point out one more thing, the board on the provari v2 is also exposed the same way the zmax is and the top is press fit on it too. The provari is a very durable tube but as far as the board goes it it just as exposed as the zmax
You are correct look down inside of your Zmax press the button do the same with your provari looks very close hu. also look at the post see the Zmax has a circle with just a little bit of solder connecting it to the board, now look in your provari see the solid post it is better material and connected better.
These little things add up a skimp here and a skimp there to cut labor and cost mean less durable in the long run.
I am enjoying your points you are forcing me to prove not just spout baseless info. You are stating facts as you see them and your Opinions are stated with out malice. I respect your as well. I not only welcome your challenges but need your and others input to keep digging and learning. Thats one of the reasons I enjoy doing the reviews. Also because If I dont do reviews I have a out of control mod buying impulse;-) So doing the reviews is cheaper than therapy
These little things add up a skimp here and a skimp there to cut labor and cost mean less durable in the long run.
I am enjoying your points you are forcing me to prove not just spout baseless info. You are stating facts as you see them and your Opinions are stated with out malice. I respect your as well. I not only welcome your challenges but need your and others input to keep digging and learning. Thats one of the reasons I enjoy doing the reviews. Also because If I dont do reviews I have a out of control mod buying impulse;-) So doing the reviews is cheaper than therapy
so glaus, whats going on with the new SS Zmax? Is it calibrated correctly or not? And from what I have heard, smoktech made the 1st run Zmaxes run hotter ( a little off ) because the company was getting a huge amount of contact letters saying the 1st Vmax was calibrated to be less powerful than the american VV mods on the market at that time. So smoktech decided to hot rod the Zmax and make it more powerful at each LCD point as compared to the US made mods. I don't know how much substance there is to this hypothesis but I can see smoktech trying to make up for the bad press by putting out a mod that is actually "more powerful" (when compared V to V to a US VV mod) than the US vv mods. Silly, but I guess I could understand where they were coming from in doing so.
As far as the new SS Zmax's... IDK if you are right, or if you are wrong, buzz, but from what I hear, it is calibrated correctly now and most ohm readers do not have the capacity to properly read RMS. It sounds like you have a meter designed specifically for RMS. So, IDK. I can't say I know because I dont. But, what I can say is that the Provari is more like a specialty made fishing lure. And, the Zmax is more like a specialty made fishing lure sold at ....'s Sporting Goods and Cabella's. You cant buy a Provari at your favorite online vaping superstore. They have NO resellers. They are the sole dealer's of their product. Thats a craftsman product. A specialty product made and sold by the developer and maker. The Zmax was made to be sold in a reseller setting. Its not on the same level as the Provari and its not supposed to be on the same level, I dont think. The provari is the best Varable Voltage device I know of.. Sure. But the price reflects that specialty stamp and its out of a lot of people's price ranges and thats just capitalism, yknow? Just like a hand-painted birdhouse, sold by the man that made it and painted it, out of his garage work-shop, is probably going to be $200-400... Where-as the same birdhouse made in a factory is going to be sold at Walmart for $10-15. lol. And SOMETIMES the walmart birdhouse will be of the same quality as the hand made birdhouse, sometimes, it wont be. Very rarely will walmart stock a hand painted birdhouse, but its possible. lol (walmart comes in and pays businesses that are under-performing for their year's budget, bulk prices, for their products.. Just enough money to keep them out of the hole, but not always enough to give them a profit. In that way, walmart "helps" the company, and is able to give us the products for a reduced price.. BUT, a lot of people say that store like Walmart are usually the reason the small shop is under-selling for their budget for the year, lol) ANYWAYS.. I'm off track...
I've read people say that the Provari shouldn't be compared to the lavatube or the zmax, and its true. They are different types of products. The provari is an extremely expensive, well made product. The LT and the Zmax are cheaper and mass produced products. The Zmax has more features, the Provari is basically hand made, with attention to detail. The Zmax can adapt to the ohm of your cartomizer or atomizer, the Provari cannot. Its up to the buyer to weigh his options. But they aren't the same TYPE of product.
I'm interested to know if anyone else can go against what Buzz's reader is actually saying?
As far as the new SS Zmax's... IDK if you are right, or if you are wrong, buzz, but from what I hear, it is calibrated correctly now and most ohm readers do not have the capacity to properly read RMS. It sounds like you have a meter designed specifically for RMS. So, IDK. I can't say I know because I dont. But, what I can say is that the Provari is more like a specialty made fishing lure. And, the Zmax is more like a specialty made fishing lure sold at ....'s Sporting Goods and Cabella's. You cant buy a Provari at your favorite online vaping superstore. They have NO resellers. They are the sole dealer's of their product. Thats a craftsman product. A specialty product made and sold by the developer and maker. The Zmax was made to be sold in a reseller setting. Its not on the same level as the Provari and its not supposed to be on the same level, I dont think. The provari is the best Varable Voltage device I know of.. Sure. But the price reflects that specialty stamp and its out of a lot of people's price ranges and thats just capitalism, yknow? Just like a hand-painted birdhouse, sold by the man that made it and painted it, out of his garage work-shop, is probably going to be $200-400... Where-as the same birdhouse made in a factory is going to be sold at Walmart for $10-15. lol. And SOMETIMES the walmart birdhouse will be of the same quality as the hand made birdhouse, sometimes, it wont be. Very rarely will walmart stock a hand painted birdhouse, but its possible. lol (walmart comes in and pays businesses that are under-performing for their year's budget, bulk prices, for their products.. Just enough money to keep them out of the hole, but not always enough to give them a profit. In that way, walmart "helps" the company, and is able to give us the products for a reduced price.. BUT, a lot of people say that store like Walmart are usually the reason the small shop is under-selling for their budget for the year, lol) ANYWAYS.. I'm off track...
I've read people say that the Provari shouldn't be compared to the lavatube or the zmax, and its true. They are different types of products. The provari is an extremely expensive, well made product. The LT and the Zmax are cheaper and mass produced products. The Zmax has more features, the Provari is basically hand made, with attention to detail. The Zmax can adapt to the ohm of your cartomizer or atomizer, the Provari cannot. Its up to the buyer to weigh his options. But they aren't the same TYPE of product.
I'm interested to know if anyone else can go against what Buzz's reader is actually saying?
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