Zombie Tools

[whynotvap]

Not a fan of the Mini-14, it tends to get loose with age. Plus, I never forgot how the A-Team never seemed to be able to hit anyone with theirs .

As far as the .223 goes vs the 7.62x39, .223 is lighter, hits harder and farther than the 7.62x39. There's also the fact that steel core .223 is THE reason there is class IV body armor. Class III will stop lead core but not the SS109, and M885 or the 7.62x39 specifically labeled AP which are near impossible to find stateside unlike the SS109. Also something to look for is the new M885A1 which uses steel, tungsten, and copper for bullet construction (no lead at all) which is showing improved fragmentation at distance than traditional M855. Which, if the SHTF, should be found readily available on slow moving targets...

 

[muttSRT]

I will agree the 223 is lighter and is more accurate farther out, but I have to disagree with it hitting harder. Unless we are going to be sniping zombies at 200+ yards, then I dont see the need for long distance accuracy. Plus, (watch the video) the guns are both using just the sights that came on the weapon. Of course the newer more modern rifle will have a better site system. I think for the video to be fair, they should also mount scopes on both weapons and then then do a comparison as well.

Either way, inside of 100 yds I will go with a 7.62x39mm every time.

Heres the video (its from the discovery channel): YouTube - AK 47 vs M16

This here is from yahoo! answers and like wikipedia is not always true and accurate, but is based on opinions of those posting: AK 7.62x39mm vs 5.56mm, which round is more effective and powerful? - Yahoo! Answers

Theres a couple of interesting responses in there.

And I will be the first to say it, my biggest problem with the AR platform ( I know there are others that shoot the 223, but the AR's are the biggest and best known) is the price. The best price I could find on a new AR was $800 and it was an off brand. If you get into the more popular brands, you are looking at $1200-1500 or more. For that kind of money I can buy 1 SKS and 1000's and 1000's and 1000's of rounds of ammo. With the average price (todays prices not counting when you could go to the surplus store and pick them up for $69.99...ah, the good old days) being $200-$350 for an SKS and a little higher for an AK, to me it just makes sense to stick with the sks/ak platform.

And one last thing, the AR is pretty picky about needing to be cleaned and if you happen to drop your gun in say a pile of florida sand, you better be stripping it down and cleaning it before you shoot it again. With the SKS, you can bury it in sand, submerge it in water, toss it off the top of a building, throw it out of a moving vehicle and chances are 99% of the time the weapon will fire. Its a sturdy weapon.

 

[whynotvap]

Yep, yep, and yep. That's why I like the Galil (for reliability) over the AR even if you can find Bushmasters (which seem to be better than Colt these days vs the 80's) for around $7-800 new. BUT, if I was only worried about ranges inside 100yds I'd just stick with a 10/22 because a head shot is a head shot and the .22 will usually go in one side and bounce around until it's spent. My main reason for suggesting the AR platform is that it will likely be the most 'available' rifle in a post SHTF scenario so parts and ammo will be easier to scrounge than the SKS and a 20" M16 can fulfill most sniper duties out to 6-700 yds where the SKS can't.
So I guess if you can stockpile pre-SHTF, the com-blok wins for pricing but post SHTF, the AR will outdistance it over the years. Don't get me wrong, I liked my SKS as it did shoot pretty well, just not as well as my AR (or my 10/22 really) did. So you might want to pick up a cheap AR (handle style) scope mount just in case. My AR is long gone but I still have that scope base just in case.

 

[muttSRT]

I just sold off my sks, but thinking of getting another. You are right tho, with everyone buying the ar platform weapons, the 223 round should be plentiful. I also figure further than 100 yards, I still got my deer rifles. I figure the 30/30 or the 243 will be plenty for long range sniper shots. more than likely though 100 yards away i will plan on staying quiet.

 

[whynotvap]

Slap a can on your 25/22 if you don't trade it for that Camp 9. Personally, I'd do the swap and buy another 10/22 with a built in silencer. Hard to beat out to 100yds and all you'll hear is the bolt clacking back and forth if you use sub sonic ammo! In case no one as noticed, I love me some 10/22's.

 

[muttSRT]

the camp 9 fell through...

I still got the marlin 22 magnum, the amt 25/22 and a ruger 10/22... 22 is my favorite round of all time

 

[muttSRT]

Got me a new toy on the way... Mossberg 590A1 SPX....it even comes with the m-9 bayonet.

AR15 parts, rifles, magazines, receivers, kits: Mossberg Model 590A1 SPX, Pump Shotguns

 

[whynotvap]

Nice! And the bayonet can hold them in place for the quick photo op before you pull the trigger

 

[muttSRT]

yeah...kinda like how the guy makes coleslaw at the end of this video: mossberg 590 - Bing Videos

 

[MuddyWaterMan]

Looks just like my Winchester model 1300 defender! I LOVE that shotgun! Good deal bro.

 

[muttSRT]

The only disappointing thing about the 590 is that even though its mil spec, it cant use the 3 1/2" magnums. My hunting/camo mossberg 535 can handle 3 1/2", but can only load 3 rounds. You would think the mil spec version with the all metal trigger guards and the beefed up barrel and bayonet lug would handle the big boy rounds, but...not...

On another note, I just sold my SKS earlier this month but just bought another one last week. Its stripped down and waiting for the bullpup stock. Theres a 4 month wait on the stock, but its going to be worth it. Its going to make the long heavy SKS into a nice small package. Still going to be a little weighty, but the only thing its changing on the SKS is the actual stock and none of the working parts, so it should still be a work horse.

Waiting on the gas mask and all to arrive, and once all the pieces arrive in the mail, I might go ahead a make a short video, all dressed up in zombie killing attire.

 

[muttSRT]

Does anyone here use a Mossberg 500 or a Maverick 88? If so, let me know, I got something you might be interested in.

 

[whynotvap]

I just sold my 88 to a friend who was looking for a house gun with less blow through than his 10mm Glock. He liked the top folding stock I had on it. What kind of goodies do you have for the Mossberg, I might be able to tempt him.

 

[muttSRT]

I found a black powder barrel that fits onto the 500 or 88. Basically it turns your shotgun into a muzzle loader. It has the fiber optic sites. If he is interested let me know...It wont fit my 590.

http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/prod...ferralID=b1b4ed02-2275-11e0-b21a-001b2166c2c0

 

[muttSRT]

my 590A1 SPX fell through...My dealer cant get it for the price he was quoted by his supplier. Its a cool shotgun and all, but I am not willing to pay an extra $75 in addition to the quoted price. Oh well. It didnt shoot 3 1/2" magnums anyways, and my Mossberg 535 does.

I did just pick up another SKS (just sold one 2 weeks ago) but found a good deal- SKS in a black synthetic monte carlo stock out the door for $160. I have it at the 4x4 shop at the moment soaking it down. I have it stripped down, i bead blasted the entire weapon yesterday and have some duracoat clear on the way. Going to leave it bead blasted which makes it look like a flat gray. I am still on the fence about ordering the bull pup stock for it. Theres a 4 month waiting list and its 2x the cost of a decked out tapco t-6 stock. But if it shortens the weapon and makes it easier to use...well i just dont know...i got a couple months to think about it.

Also might be trading off my xd45 today too. Have 2 offers on the table. #1 is a sig sauer p228 (9mm) with 2 mags and the other is a sig sauer p229 (sw40) in stainless. Has anyone had any experience with a sig? I know its a decent brand (at least based on the prices) but never have fired one. any thoughts? I think the p229 is worth more, but I am really wanting a 9mm not a 40 (cheaper to shoot).

 

[uba egar320]

I've got a Sig p220 45. Favorite range gun. It's an old beat up ex police gun with night sights. Only holds 7 rounds though. Not very good for slayin hoards of the undead. 228 is prob the best bet.

 

[muttSRT]

I've got a Sig p220 45. Favorite range gun. It's an old beat up ex police gun with night sights. Only holds 7 rounds though. Not very good for slayin hoards of the undead. 228 is prob the best bet.

thanks for the info...i was worried when i put my ad up on - Gun Owners Club! - A Place for Gun Enthusiasts and immediately had two offers, both were sigs. Wondering if i would be better off keeping my Springfield, cause at least i know its a great gun.

Is a sig worth the money or is it just an overpriced nameplate? My very first handgun i ever bought was a smith 357 magnum revolver. It would fire once, and on the second shot it would .... the cylinder and jam (yes i had a revolver that jammed) I sent it to the gunsmith 3 different times and never could get it to fire more than a couple times. I finally got rid of it and have never even looked at another s&w...you couldn't give me a s&w now.

 

[uba egar320]

They are pricey, but well built. For a beater like mine(has holster wear and some scratches), 460 was a decent price imo. Possible you could always get a problem gun with a Sig I guess. But man it's a straight shooter. Nice and durable too. You could beat the hell out of someone with it.

 

[muttSRT]

They are pricey, but well built. For a beater like mine(has holster wear and some scratches), 460 was a decent price imo. Possible you could always get a problem gun with a Sig I guess. But man it's a straight shooter. Nice and durable too. You could beat the hell out of someone with it.

And with zombie survival, that is always a possibility.

 

[uba egar320]

But I doubt if there is anything better pistol wise as far as whackn someone up side the head as a springfield 1911. I'd say you're probably good there lol.