Looks like Georgia is gonna be Indiana'd

[MacTechVpr]

But once the gov't goes down that rabbit hole of taxing basic consumer goods based on intent of use, it has to go all the way down that hole.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Once they make that leap then civil forfeiture is possible along with criminalization even if not specified. Why I object to protect the children legislation. It has served as the pathway to more governmental regulatory addiction.

Good luck.

 

[ckquatt]

DIY may be our chief option if this bill passes. PG and VG are widely available as cosmetic chemicals. Lorann's flavorings is an option. Nothing was said abut buying nic, and pharma nic still seems to be open for purchase. It's the mixing process that might be questioned. As long as none is passed on to another, DIY should be fine.

Or did I miss something when I read the bill? I'm still irritated by the clause that speaks to importing juice from other states. Do we agree that it can be ordered for personal use, but can't be sold in GA or will it be illegal to order and receive for personal use?

It will be interesting to hear the discussion from the stat house floor as this bill is considered.

The way I read it is that we can't buy from the internet. I could be wrong though. I'll be ordering some more nic just in case.

"Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it." Is my motto for everything!

 

[squee]

It's the mixing process that might be questioned. As long as none is passed on to another, DIY should be fine.

As long as you don't get caught, i.e. get pulled over for anything and a cop sees your bottle of bootleg juice

will it be illegal to order and receive for personal use?

Yes, it will be illegal. Just as it is now in Arkansas to order online and many, if not most, vendors have stopped shipping to that state. A number have already stopped shipping to IN and I saw the other day that MBV said they'll stop selling to anyone there as of July.

Basically, if this passes, y'all are screwed. So, the important thing right now is to stop it from being passed AND to find out who/what is behind it. I think in IN it was a casino corp. who also had a large manuf and bottling operation - so this would give them a monopoly on production. Who's behind this in GA?

 

[vlodato]

That has to be the most ridiculous thing iv read in a while. This is so sad....

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[pennysmalls]

Mobilize Georgia. The one thing I was so thankful for here in Indiana was that we had the key players that we had on vaping's side, players that are still deeply involved. Then there were the thousands of vapers who signed and passed out petitions to present to the committees and showed up at the capital for the meetings and rally. Vapers need to unite in Georgia.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Yep, and don't forget the Indiana legislature that banned driving with cellphones last year and none of their legislators knew it!

My concern for Florida and their perfunctory review of their combustion is vaping constitutional re-definition rule making as legislation without any discussion of lawful basis or process.

This IS the beast that we're fighting. From the FDA's assumption to the slick approaches being undertaken by states to follow suit and steal people's property and free association rights. A powerful attack on free speech, at the most fundamental level, as commerce is speech. And the only way they can get away with this outrageous infringement is to connive us into the belief that they have the authority to corrupt the language to accomplish it. For us to disregard our lying eyes.

We must en masse deluge these people and insist — Vaping is not combustion! Let's stop arguing the question. Prove it [gov] or move off. Once legislation is passed, regulations adopted, fines/fees/their revenue enacted the onus is on the challenger. Pick a state, any state, cripple them and mangle them. You have a right to inquiry and justification. We are hundreds of thousands. Without this we're invisible. Cellophane. The cost to them must be made as dear as what they would impose on us.

It's hard enough with an industry made up of a great many non-vapers to coalesce to support their own commercial right, much less our own independent right (DIY) to survive this. We've relied on them to protect our interests.

That will not work.

Good luck.

 

[ckquatt]

I fired off emails and FB posts to Good Life Vapor, Heather's Heavenly Vapes, and epipemods as to their intentions regarding HB 907. We'll see what their response is...

 

[zoiDman]

Mobilize Georgia. ...

This has to be the 1st Step in countering any type of Proposed Legislation. And it is the Most Important Thing.

B&M's need to be Contacted. And they need to Crank Up their Mailing Lists. As well as hand out Flyers to their Customer. Individuals need to Contact Vapers and those who might be Pro-Vaping like Friends, Family and Co-Workers.

And there needs to be a Clear Timeline of the Steps this Bill needs to take to eventually end up at the Governor's Desk.

If the Next Step in this Bills progress is to a Committee Hearing, and if that Committee allows Public Comments, people need to know this ASAP.

in the 2015 Special Session, California had a couple of pieces of Legislations put forth. Many Law makers were Very Surprised when many B&M Owners/Employees and Individuals showed up at Committee Meetings to Express Opposition.

 

[squee]

This has to be the 1st Step in countering any type of Proposed Legislation. And it is the Most Important Thing.

B&M's need to be Contacted. And they need to Crank Up their Mailing Lists. As well as hand out Flyers to their Customer. Individuals need to Contact Vapers and those who might be Pro-Vaping like Friends, Family and Co-Workers..

While I do agree with this - getting people involved and vocal is important - keep in mind that there was MASS mobilization and involvement in IN (an impressive amount, if I do say) and they were completely ignored. Completely.

I'm starting to think that maybe more effort needs to be put into determining who is really behind this specific legislation, as in, why the Indiana template? Were these GA legislators kicking around with nothing to do and one just started browsing the IN legislature's website? Is there a group/lobbyist that is peddling this around? Who? and Why? Maybe some of you GA vapers can call the sponsors of this and ask why an almost exact copy of an IN law is being offered in GA?

 

[ckquatt]

Just got an email from Casaa. A CTA should be up tomorrow.

Also Stormy's Vapor Cellar has been contacted. Sorry about all the posts but I'm trying to see if anyone (store owners/manufacturers) are looking into this.

 

[zoiDman]

While I do agree with this - getting people involved and vocal is important - keep in mind that there was MASS mobilization and involvement in IN (an impressive amount, if I do say) and they were completely ignored. Completely.

I'm starting to think that maybe more effort needs to be put into determining who is really behind this specific legislation, as in, why the Indiana template? Were these GA legislators kicking around with nothing to do and one just started browsing the IN legislature's website? Is there a group/lobbyist that is peddling this around? Who? and Why? Maybe some of you GA vapers can call the sponsors of this and ask why an almost exact copy of an IN law is being offered in GA?

Something like this Legislation should be Fought on Many Fronts. Mobilizing Interested Parties is Fundamental to ALL of them.

I don't know Who is behind this Legislation? Or even If there is anyone outside of the State Government that is? There are Enough people Inside of State Government(s) who feel that States need to Act during this Session because the FDA has Not.

Because if you Read this piece of Legislation, how Different do you think it will be from the Rule Sets that the FDA will bring forth after Deeming?

 

[Rossum]

how Different do you think it will be from the Rule Sets that the FDA will bring forth after Deeming?

State legislatures have far more power to restrict things like DIY mixing than the FDA does under the TCA, which was written before vaping was much of a thing.

 

[zoiDman]

State legislatures have far more power to restrict things like DIY mixing than the FDA does under the TCA, which was written before vaping was much of a thing.

Don't think I would argue with That.

But people Doing DIY for Personal Use is about the Lowest of my Concerns. Because attempting to Stop Someone from Mixing Up there favorite recipe is all but Unenforceable.

I would be Very Concerned though if something Threatened a person's Ability to Buy Nicotine Base.

 

[squee]

Because if you Read this piece of Legislation, how Different do you think it will be from the Rule Sets that the FDA will bring forth after Deeming?

I think one very big difference is that the FDA will not be excluding or exempting cigalikes and pre-filled cartridges. And yet....

 

[MacTechVpr]

State legislatures have far more power to restrict things like DIY mixing than the FDA does under the TCA, which was written before vaping was much of a thing.

Dunno about that ros unless under the auspices of some regulation of tobacco as nicotine I've yet not read about. The closest human activity otherwise would be something like cooking or the liquor mixology. Let us know if there's some restriction on 151proof mango daiquiri's…I'll be devastated.

Good luck all.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Don't think I would argue with That.

But people Doing DIY for Personal Use is about the Lowest of my Concerns. Because attempting to Stop Someone from Mixing Up there favorite recipe is all but Unenforceable.

I would be Very Concerned though if something Threatened a person's Ability to Buy Nicotine Base.

Agree and with that criminalization or possession of prepared juices or hardware. That shuts us in the closet, unable to help ourselves or others…a virtual ban. And states like FL who would slyly sneak such ambiguity into law are going right after that, i.e. a resulting independent consumer market.

Good luck.

 

[YoursTruli]

State legislatures have far more power to restrict things like DIY mixing than the FDA does under the TCA, which was written before vaping was much of a thing.

just that... I have always said that long before the FDA has their way with vaping the state and local government will have cut us off at the knees, I mean really how much worse can the deeming be than what we are seeing from more local legislature... bans, taxes, restriction of online sales, restriction of DIY, restriction of state to state sales, legal prosecution, fines....
about the only thing left standing is gear

 

[zoiDman]

Agree and with that criminalization or possession of prepared juices or hardware. That shuts us in the closet, unable to help ourselves or others…a virtual ban. And states like FL who would slyly sneak such ambiguity into law are going right after that, i.e. a resulting independent consumer market.

Good luck.

Like I said, I just Don't see DIY for Personal Use as being a Big Issue. Providing e-liquids for Everyone at your Work or everyone in your College Dorm, sure, they might choose to Enforce a Statute if one was on the Books. But for Joe Blow mixing e-Liquids at home for Personal Use, just don't see a Problem.

And Talk of Criminalization of Hardware Possession is starting to Bend the Realm of Common Sense.

 

[ckquatt]

Like I said, I just Don't see DIY for Personal Use as being a Big Issue. Providing e-liquids for Everyone at your Work or everyone in your College Dorm, sure, they might choose to Enforce a Statute if one was on the Books. But for Joe Blow mixing e-Liquids at home for Personal Use, just don't see a Problem.

And Talk of Criminalization of Hardware Possession is starting to Bend the Realm of Common Sense.

Can Indiana residents still buy Nic base from online retailers like Wizard Labs? Meaning do they still ship there. I haven't looked so I don't know.

 

[DaveP]

I've proven that I can vape 0 nic juice. It's not as much fun as 3mg/ml juice because there's no throat hit at all, but it satisfies the actions of vaping, and that's most of the habit once you get to a low nic level.

I look for this bill to be emasculated as far as individual vapers are concerned. Tobacco taxes have been level at around $227B for the last 5 years through 2014 in the report linked below. Surely, responsible representatives will knock this thing around and expose it for the partisan trash that it is. Why not just tax juice and be done with it?

Search for tobacco. The 2nd hit will be a report of revenue by source that shows actual amounts.

http://opb.georgia.gov/sites/opb.georgia.gov/files/related_files/document/Governors Budget Report FY 2014.pdf