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Are E-cigs bad for you?

Discussion in 'General Vaping Discussion' started by Dob_Bobolina, Dec 12, 2010.

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  1. Dob_Bobolina

    Dob_Bobolina Super Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 17, 2010
    Fresno, CA
    What do you guys have to say about this question? I tried writing the most honest answer I could think of which was both yes and no... it depends upon the situation. check out my article here:
    Are E-Cigs bad for you? | eCigology
    And please give me your feedback. Let me know if I made any mistakes too, as always.
  2. cskent

    cskent Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 24, 2010
    I'd say it's less bad than smoking but more bad than just breathing clean air. But where do you find clean air anymore?
  3. vappoem

    vappoem Full Member

    May 19, 2010
    Worcester, Ma
    I hate to say this, but I think you should pull this and work on it more...I think you are confusing Diethylene glycol with Propylene glycol. Further, there are several grammatical mistakes that make it look a little sloppy. However, I will be more than willing to help you with it. Just send me a PM.
  4. Interstink

    Interstink Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 2, 2009
    Agree, needs to pull it for incorrect information. Sorry...
  5. WomanOfHeart

    WomanOfHeart Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Sep 19, 2010
    "E cigs contain up to 7 or 8 chemicals give or take, depending on what juice you buy. Some more, some less… some a lot less if its straight propylene glycol or vegetable glycol, then its just 1."

    Completely incorrect, sir! Where did you get 7 or 8 chemicals? My juice only contains flavoring, 1.8% nicotine, PG and VG. If you want to get really technical (as in nit-picky) then what I'm vaping now contains seven ingredients; four different flavorings, nicotine, PG and VG. If I only have one flavoring in there, then that is going to bring the number down to four. Using either 100% PG or 100% VG will bring it down to three. I wouldn't exactly classify flavoring as a chemical. People get put off when you mention putting chemicals in your body, so I avoid using the term when telling others about my PV.

    We can assume at this point that PV's are safer than cigarettes, but there still needs to be more real research done for us to be able to say that conclusively. Right now the only things we know are that no one has died from using a PV, and that the vast majority of us feel that our health has improved since making the switch.

    I say you need to pull your article, improve your grammar and do a little more research.
  6. sbphotog

    sbphotog Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 17, 2009
    I agree, you should pull it and do more research. It would also help not sounding so need to swear or insult in an article that's suppose to be informative.
  7. kristin

    kristin Vaping Master ECF Veteran

  8. DC2

    DC2 Tootie Puffer Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    Jun 21, 2009
    San Diego
    If you want to REALLY get techical, each flavoring contains many chemicals.

    And almost none of them have been studied for inhalation safety.
    Basically, it is the chemicals in the flavorings that are the main concern in this whole equation.
  9. banjo

    banjo Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 25, 2010
    Rio Oso, CA
    Nice web site. I bookmarked it to see how it progresses.
  10. WomanOfHeart

    WomanOfHeart Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Sep 19, 2010
    True, but I really wouldn't want to try and explain that to someone in that great of detail. Vaping is overwhelming enough for people and I don't see any sense in making it that much less appealing.
  11. sbphotog

    sbphotog Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 17, 2009
    Plus I can't see how inhaling something that is safe to ingest can be as (if not more) harmful than smoking. Could it be bad for you? It certainly could. But is it as bad or worse than inhaling formaldehyde, ammonia, acetone, tar, arsenic, hydrogen cyanide....?(all of these are in analogs + many other chemicals)
    I personally don't believe so and I'm willing to take my chances.

    That is why I'm for harm reduction and not for a "safe"alternative to cigarettes. :)
  12. SimpleSins

    SimpleSins Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 18, 2010
    SW Iowa
    I don't know...considering that is the part of the equation that poses the greatest risk to the user, I don't think the chemicals involved in the flavoring are something to be ignored or glossed over. Yes, if you're just chit-chatting to someone in the smoking area it's not so bad, but if a web site is meant to be informational, it should include all the information, not just the 'good' stuff.
  13. SimpleSins

    SimpleSins Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 18, 2010
    SW Iowa
    There are extreme difference between inhaling and ingesting- the tissue within the lungs and within the stomach are very different, and the acid in the GI system breaks down the flavoring agents so the chemicals are not just laying against the organ. Also, there is a different between combustion and vaporizing, the differing heat between combustion and vaporization, and and a myriad of other chemical differences. Like lots of other substances and chemicals, you certainly can make the choice to use them if you want, but I think people should be aware that these issues exist so they can make an educated choice.
  14. Papa Lazarou

    Papa Lazarou Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 15, 2008
    As already noted, the part about diethylene glycol at least should be re-written. Diethylene glycol IS poisonous in any significant quantity (causing kidney failure amongst other things). Propylene glycol on the other hand is generally recognised as safe.
  15. Stosh

    Stosh Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Oct 2, 2010
    What you say is true, but half the story. Flavorings and additives that you eat regularly do not have the
    long term studies (30 - 40 years) for their effects. Natural / organic food flavorings can be anything that
    is not poisonious or harmful. Ground up bugs have just the taste the food scienctist is looking for, in it goes!
    It's all natural and organic, nothing artifical in bugs.
    The FDA has a limit (greater than zero) of bug parts that are allowable in cereals.

    I agree that more studies are necessary for flavoring, PG, VG, PGA etc when it come to vaping but done
    with a little common sense. I breath New Jersey air, and car exaust every day driving to work, and that
    has got to be worse for my health than vaping.
  16. vappoem

    vappoem Full Member

    May 19, 2010
    Worcester, Ma
    Dob (remember it's a thread to help Dob),

    In light of Kristen excellent link, it may be more helpful for you to write about your own personal experience, health, and feelings about switching from smoking to vaping. THis could be valuable in two ways. First, it will help people know what to expect if they decided to change. Second, it will add another voice to the many people claiming to have had experience positive health benefits from changing to smoking to vaping (why isn't there a slang term for that? can't someone make up a verb?). These last point is important. If there is ever going to be a large, independent study on vaping, we need to catch the eye of a researcher.

    On a final note, I would like to thank you for your willingness to help the cause.
  17. Kevin Freeheart

    Kevin Freeheart Super Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 20, 2010
    Live Free Or Die
    No, vaping is not safe.

    Being BORN isn't safe, it results in 100% mortality, though I hope to see that change in my lifetime.

    I find a flaw in the "is it safe" question since "safe" is ALWAYS a measure of relative safety based on the subjective values of different people. Vaping is MORE UNSAFE to a non-smoker in close proximity than NOT VAPING. The same is likely true of perfume. Yet vaping is probably MORE SAFE to a smoker who is INSTEAD vaping. So who is right? Both are.

    The question is moot.
  18. Neemy

    Neemy Super Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 16, 2010
    Marietta, GA
    I agree with this. If you want to dispel myths about e-cigs, an audience would be more receptive to a respectful way of addressing them, rather than “The government says theys contains thats ANTIFREEZE! My dog drank summa dat and he DIED! “. For one thing, it took me a couple of tries to even figure out what you were saying... then I got that you were being sarcastic. Don't assume anyone who is uninformed is stupid. They're just that - "uninformed".

    Good luck with it, though!
  19. xg4bx

    xg4bx Moved On ECF Veteran

    is it good for you? no. is it better than cigarettes? god yes. it's just like there's no such thing as safe sex but there is safeR sex.
  20. Dob_Bobolina

    Dob_Bobolina Super Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 17, 2010
    Fresno, CA
    Hey everyone
    Thank you so much for your replies, I cant possibly quote everything. I will pull the article and definitely fix the incorrect chemical naming... I guess I was trying to pull too much from memory. Thats an obvious mistake. As far as the grammar stuff, I guess my sense of humor doesn't translate in this article =). Yeah my whole point is that its probably not safe, we dont really know though, but it is safer than smoking as far as we can tell. I also will include more of the benefits I experienced once I switched over. As far as the insulting goes I apologize about sounding so rude, its just that it really makes me so angry to read that on the web. Such a fierce opposition to e-cigs, so ready to dismiss such a wonderful and helpful (potentially life saving) idea. Thanks for all of your input guys, I really appreciate it.

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