Burning Cartomisers? Dangerous?-510/Kr808/4081...etc filler type cartos

[lorikay13]

boy this thread moves fast! I have a lot of catching up to do

4081 batteries/chargers: The universal USB charger without threads SHOULD work. I am using one right now to charge a SS battery...I'll let you know if there is any problems

Salt...I too am at a loss. But if it was me I would politely contact whomever I bought them from just to let them know there seems to be a problem with this batch and ask them if there have been any other complaints. If your lucky they will offer to replace them. If they don't I wouldn't buy from them again. Don't toss that 510 battery yet! I'm testing my last carto for AquaVapor and it is their own version of the SLB 510...so far I am very happy with it. And I was thrilled with their 4081. So just be patient...it's getting better. Also Bill will be going to China next week to work out some things at the SS factory and I am anticipating some positive changes as far as QC goes for the SS cartos. I'll keep you posted on that as well.

Adapters....I use them every day with my SS cartos and have never had a problem. Right now I'm using a cheapo bag of 5 I got from China. I use 901/4081 for my KR808 batteries and 510/4081 for my Riva and PassThrough. I even have used them to charge batteries in a pinch. However....one thing we have all learned by now is that this means nothing! If YOU got a bad adapter or have problems making them work then that's valid for you. I have heard many complaints about adapters so I figure I just got lucky so far. But if it was me...and all I wanted was to see if I liked the 4081 cartos...knowing what I know now....I would still buy SS batteries OR KANGER KR808D-1 batteries and some adapters.

Yankee....believe me....I don't think any of us can't relate to how this kind of thing makes you feel. It stirs up the deepest feelings....our entire existance is based on freedom of speech. But sometimes you have to pick your battles and I am just wondering if this one is worth it. If it was a matter of product safety I would say hell yes...fight it all the way and what can I do to help you. But it really isn't. However my friend....we still have freedom of speech in this forum and I for one plan on making your experience with WORDUP E_CIG widely known.

Bottom line here after the last few pages.....Batteries matter!!!! And TESTING with multimeters shows two clear winners....the SmokeStik 4081 battery and the Kanger KR808D-1 battery. My subjective experience has been that this is true.

 

[Katya]

I knew Lori would have the answer to the charger question!

Now I have a question to all who have tried both the SLB 510 cartos and the 4081s. Do you feel that the extra airflow tube in the 4081 (the one that goes through the batting itself) is indeed improving the overall performance of the cartomizer? That extra tube is the only difference I can see between the two types (510 and 4081) and I think it plays a role. The 510 carto has a wicking cloth inside the batting, but also possibly holds more liquid, methinks. Just wonder if the duller draw I experience with the 510 is all in my head or is it the result of the missing tube.

Please let me know what you think.

 

[lorikay13]

Invalid query...none of the above.

The 4081 was a larger diameter than the 510.

Also....what battery are you using for your 510 cartos ?

Filling might play a part in that some of these 510's seem to have too much filling...just like the "premium/turbo/mega" 808's. But the SLB's I'm using....both varieties seem to have no problem maitaining the center opening. They also have a different type of filling than the Boge 510's...it's more of a blanket type material rather than the dense polyfill for the Boge or the 808's.
If you left a 4081 just like it was but put twice as much filling in it it would have a hard draw as well.

But in your case Katya since your using the SLB 510's I would say all other things being equal it's simply that the diameter of the carto itself is smaller. And possibly the battery your using.

 

[Katya]

Well, I'm using 4081 batteries (Hendu and GP, both autos) with my 4081 cartos, and they hit much harder, at least at the beginning, more like an analog hit. I've been using the 510 carto on my trusty V4L XL manuals with an adapter, and I don't get that analog-like sharp hit. There's plenty of vapor and flavor, but it is somewhat duller. I can't explain it better.

All my batteries are true 3.7v or more, they've been tested. Maybe it's the auto vs. manual thing? Or the adapter? I'll try the 510 on my auto battery and see how it goes.

 

[lorikay13]

okay...I'm not really clear on what exactly your talking about so I'm not sure I'll be giving you the correct answer. But..I just spend some time on the phone with Bill and I asked him the question about draw. He said that it has to do with the sensitivity of the switch in the battery.....as well as the airflow design into the battery itself....so that the higher quality and more sensitive the switch is the less effort you should have to expend to keep the current flowing from the battery to the atomizer or cartomizer. So yes...there would also be a diference between an auto and a manual.Does that fit with what your describing???

 

[tiburonfirst]

Well, I'm using 4081 batteries (Hendu and GP, both autos) with my 4081 cartos, and they hit much harder, at least at the beginning, more like an analog hit.

lots of research going on here and i've tried to at least read through the thread but i got some things going on which need more of my time and are very important to me.
yankee - listen to lori and katya, sticking to your guns in this case - not worth the aggravation it'll bring
katya - i get the same, almost analog-type draw with my regular run-of-the-mill batteries
lori, definitely got faith in your research but want you to consider this:
i have been topping of the 4081 cartos by dripping 3 to 4 drops through the battery end all along without ill effects, and i'm using automatic batteries. this is in complete contrast to the method you were given by some suppliers? [sorry, don't remember who it was you talked to]
hope you'll keep making headway

 

[bssage]

well first I should say that I am for sure out of sequence with my post.

I have been trying to make educated decisions based off of what I have read on this thread. Recently I ordered 10 boge's and 10 SLB's to compare.

But before I had the benefit of this thread I ordered 10 lr's from Provape.
I really dont think you are giving these the credit they deserve. Based off the information I have gotten on this thread I thought bad deal just buying these. Also based off of the thread this is what I decided to do.

Wait until I had no choice but to change the batts . At that point I went to the provape lr's with my #1 juice TV Blueberry cheesecake. Right now I have added 3 hrs and going to my batts. Again based off what I have learned here, I flutter the switch out of caution not to burn the carto. But IMHO this is fact. The flavor is un comparable to any variation I have used to date.

I plan to mark the LR carto's and only use them at the end of the day (batt life) This is my first LR carto and I very well may post that I was wrong in the next couple of days. But that what I think right now.

I think it's obvious from this thread and just the feel of the carto's these shouldnt be your/my goto carto's. But I think they have their place

PS them birds look delicious

 

[Katya]

katya - i get the same, almost analog-type draw with my regular run-of-the-mill batteries
lori, definitely got faith in your research but want you to consider this:
i have been topping of the 4081 cartos by dripping 3 to 4 drops through the battery end all along without ill effects, and i'm using automatic batteries.

Hi Tibur. Been a while. I get that analog feeling with all the 4081 batteries, I think it's the combination of a good switch and well built cartomizer. And the size. It really feels like a cigarette in your hand. The nice feature of those 4081 batteries is that, although they are automatic, they don't require a primer puff, like my other autos, to activate the switch, which really is nice and doesn't waste juice.

Tibur, I think that Lori advised against the condom, or plunge method, of refilling those cartos. Dripping slowly, drop by drop, through the battery end is obviously OK, as it works for you. I had similar experience with GreenCig cartos, which are notoriously difficult to refill. If you use the condom method, you'll flood the chamber, but you can successfully drip, slowly, one drop at time until absorbed, through the batt end. I've been using this method with my GC cartos without any problems.

But before I had the benefit of this thread I ordered 10 lr's from Provape.
I really dont think you are giving these the credit they deserve. Based off the information I have gotten on this thread I thought bad deal just buying these. Also based off of the thread this is what I decided to do.

I think it's obvious from this thread and just the feel of the carto's these shouldnt be your/my goto carto's. But I think they have their place

PS them birds look delicious

I think Lori mentioned that she uses and likes the low resistance 510 cartomizers. Somewhere earlier in the thread, isn't that right, Lorikay? I'm just not sure if she uses them on her low-voltage PV like her Riva or also on her regular 3.7v batteries. But I'm sure she uses and likes them. Lori, could you confirm that?

This is exactly why it's so good that new people join in and share their experiences. This is an impossible job for four or five poeple, thanks for sharing your experience and I'm sure the 510 users will chime in. [I'm just trying my first 510 carto, so I don't know anything about them.]

These birds are not for human consumption. Stay away. Threre was sombody earlier who threatened to grill my finch... Long and sad story....

 

[bssage]

Not me, my dog, and he just wants to play with the birds

I think I am going to mark the Lr carto's keeping them in the lineup for end of the batt service. They are funky lookin no air hole in the center just looks like gauze wadded up in the middle

 

[Katya]

Is this your dog in your avatar picture? He's adorable. I bet he'd have more fun playing with my dog. Or with Lorikay's goat.

 

[lorikay13]

yep...I have always said one of my favorite cartos was the LR Boge that Vapor Kings used to sell. But these new LR's are very low...1.6 ohms....so I expressed doubt as to how well they would work overall.....BUT....there is the "sweet spot" that we have all been overlooking...and that is the correlation between the battery YOU are using and the device, (atty or carto) you are trying to push with it. And that is something only each individual can determine for themselves. A very low resistance carto will surely taste better under a certain voltage. And they will certainly have a broader range of good flavor, under a certain voltage. Meaning they will probably taste better with smaller,cheaper or less reliable batteries. I eagerly await someone else reports though as to what they look like after they have been used awhile and taken apart. My budget is tapped out for the time being as far as buying experimental e-cig stuff So bssage...please do keep us informed. I for one do not doubt your findings at all.

 

[tiburonfirst]

i took the time to follow lori's link before i get busy taking care of max, my 125lb rottie who broke his leg a few days ago and pretty much requires full time care.
here is what i found and what i posted:

Hello You Post all this and then you are gone and you tell me to delete a post well you know that can not be done why have you gone and please all I am asking for is the letters and review pleas you started this rep sh,,t in china bs so don't just

disappear
in to thin air give me a break and send me the info please

hi sparkee, i'm sure lorikay will be back, she is not the type to disappear. those law- suit- threatening letters were mentioned on another thread where we have been trying to compare different cartos, and looking at the pros and cons of cartos in general.

do you think it is possible that your chinese supplier might have gone ahead with something like this without your knowledge?

scariest, imo, would be if this was done as a joke. hopefully, we'll get to the bottom of this.

 

[Katya]

Tibur, I'm so relieved that Max is on the mend. Good luck and best wishes to you both.

Lori, dear, wherever you are. I think it's time for Yankee to contact Sparkee and explain the whole situation. Sparkee is clearly concerned and wants to get to the bottom of this, which makes me very happy.

Having said that, I still believe that Yankee's review is really not much of a review but rather a dismissal. Yankee never even bothers to use the carto because he states, falsely, that there is glue in the carto, and based on this inaccurate assumption he simply states that he won't be using it and that SS cartos are better.

We know now that there is no glue in the wordup ecig carto, by Yankee's own admission, and frankly, this carto looks to me almost exactly like the SLB 510 I've been using very successfully for three days now without any problems with burning or any off tastes or smells. Freedom of speech is one thing, libel is another. Yankee has every right to post his review and state his opinions, but if he tells a provable falsehood (like the presence of glue), the manufacturer has every right to defend himself and his product. How he defends himself is a different issue so please don't get mad at me; I don't approve of threats and lawsuits, I prefer talking and explaining things. I'm just stating the facts.

This whole thing can be fixed in 5 minutes with a little good will on both sides. Yankee should correct his statements about the glue, especially after admitting here, in this thread, that he checked and there is indeed no glue in the carto. Yankee, why do you even want to keep that video up on youtube if it states things that are not true? I don't understand it. The other side should thank him and drop all the threats of a lawsuit and apologize for ever making them. Case dismissed.

Happy Sunday, everybody!

 

[Yankee802]

First, I sincerly appreciate all your (Lori and everyone) help and support. Katya is right, I could (and should) delete my video. I am being stuborn, I HATE being threatend, to the point that even if I'm wrong, I'll stick with it for spite. I'd gladly do the right thing, but not untill I get an (at the very least) apology from whoever sent this. Again, had they simply asked me to retract or correct my glue statement (which was my initial impression, and even though later found inaccurate, was TRUE IMO at THAT time) I would have done so gladly.

I have posted all information requested in that thread.

And as an aside, another thing that realy irks me is that sparkee used characters to substitute for swearing, something I got a ban for!!

 

[timothy]

you know i've thought about this issue and as a 38 year smoker how many times we smoked cigs all the way to the .... and we did not even think about that causing us any harm so why frett over this............

 

[ImYourSalt]

you know i've thought about this issue and as a 38 year smoker how many times we smoked cigs all the way to the .... and we did not even think about that causing us any harm so why frett over this............

because were not smokers anymore !!!!

We're in the process of turning over a new leaf

 

[ImYourSalt]

has anyone tried or heard of these 'Edition 2' cartomizers from Royal Smokers?

looks like they come in 808d-1, 510, 808, and m-series varieties. i think 4081 too!

they are available here...
http://www.e-liquid.cn/

 

[tiburonfirst]

First, I sincerly appreciate all your (Lori and everyone) help and support. Katya is right, I could (and should) delete my video. I am being stuborn, I HATE being threatend, to the point that even if I'm wrong, I'll stick with it for spite. I'd gladly do the right thing, but not untill I get an (at the very least) apology from whoever sent this. Again, had they simply asked me to retract or correct my glue statement (which was my initial impression, and even though later found inaccurate, was TRUE IMO at THAT time) I would have done so gladly.

I have posted all information requested in that thread.

And as an aside, another thing that realy irks me is that sparkee used characters to substitute for swearing, something I got a ban for!!

please, yankee, don't paint yourself into a corner. if sparkee is not aware of this then it is highly unlikely he'll apologize
let's just try and get to the bottom of it.

 

[tiburonfirst]

has anyone tried or heard of these 'Edition 2' cartomizers from Royal Smokers?

looks like they come in 808d-1, 510, 808, and m-series varieties. i think 4081 too!

they are available here...
Welcome by E-liquid Webshop CN

never heard of them before and i am surprised to see m401 cartomizers available. maybe somebody has experience with them

 

[lorikay13]

has anyone tried or heard of these 'Edition 2' cartomizers from Royal Smokers?

looks like they come in 808d-1, 510, 808, and m-series varieties. i think 4081 too!

they are available here...
Welcome by E-liquid Webshop CN

Those look NICE!!! Great find Salt....they do bulk orders I see. I'm willing to do a co-op on these....anyone else interested? I'm not sure how co-op buying works....I don't understand how it saves money if you have to redistrbute and re-ship the order. So someone please explain it to me...I'm really bad at math.