House passes bill to require child-proof nicotine packaging

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In the Context of any Poisonous Substance.
Context such as this?
"Every day, over 300 children in the United States ages 0 to 19 are treated in an emergency department, and two children die, as a result of being poisoned. It’s not just chemicals in your home marked with clear warning labels that can be dangerous to children."
CDC - Injury - Safe Child - Poisoning
as opposed to this.
"In the USA there are only three deaths that can be contributed
to nicotine poisoning in the last 30 years."
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Context such as this?
"Every day, over 300 children in the United States ages 0 to 19 are treated in an emergency department, and two children die, as a result of being poisoned. It’s not just chemicals in your home marked with clear warning labels that can be dangerous to children."
CDC - Injury - Safe Child - Poisoning
as opposed to this.
"In the USA there are only three deaths that can be contributed
to nicotine poisoning in the last 30 years."
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mike

If that is the Context that you want to Use, then it works for Me.
 

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You have me confused at the at the cause of death and brain damage part.:confused:
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Not sure what you are Confused with Mike?

I believe that for Children less that 4 Years old, Chocking is one of the leading causes of Death and Serious Injuries.
 

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Not sure what you are Confused with Mike?

I believe that for Children less that 4 Years old, Chocking is one of the leading causes of Death and Serious Injuries.
Oh,you mean on the vomit. Same with adults too I believe. Choking in
fact is the leading cause of death for children under four inclusive of
everything.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100226212559.htm
i assumed you were refering to just nicotine ingestion.
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... i assumed you were refering to just nicotine ingestion.
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Dish Soap, Washer Pods, e-liquids, Hair Gel, Lamp Oil, ...

Reliance on a Child being able to Vomit Out whatever they ingested (either a Poison or a Non-Poison) is not a Safe Bet.
 

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The entire purpose of inducing vomiting is to get as much of the poison out of the system before it can do even further damage. It has never been guaranteed that it's a cure all for something that's been ingested. Quite the contrary. It's just one step in the treatment.
 

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It's not as if you would induce vomiting, it happens naturally. I do agree that e-liquid should be kept out of the hands of small children. I'm just not certain it warrants a CRP mandate.

It's over and done with now, but it sure does send the message: TOXIN!
 

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If one considers the swath of death and destruction liquid nicotine caused in laying to waste
in biblical proportions to the farming community and those that ate the produce
when it was widely used as an insecticide...ah,er,..what?...nevermind.
;)
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Perhaps someone more math savvy than I am could put that into perspective. For example, how many 15 ml size bottles of e-liquid at a nicotine dilution of 18 mg/ml would a 25 pound child have to guzzle down to probably cause death? Assuming vomiting had not already begun to remedy the situation during the drinking process.


Not the greatest at maths either but I got about 19 bottles at 15ml would be needed.

15x.18=2.7 50/2.7=18.519

I may be off.
 

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In what context? In the USA there are only three deaths that can be contributed
to nicotine poisoning in the last 30 years.
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Mike

Holy flying poodles!


That works out to 1 death from nicotine over dose every 10 years. More people are struck by lightning each year. This is based upon Average Annual Reported U.S. Lightning Deaths and Injures, 2001-2010: 280. Odds from .

Better watch out. Everyone using nicotine juices will be rounded up as terrorists, for sure.
 

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Not the greatest at maths either but I got about 19 bottles at 15ml would be needed.

15x.18=2.7 50/2.7=18.519

I may be off.

Yikes, 5130mg. Rats a rot of Ricotine.

I wonder when Rena Failure would set in Saying you lived thru it?
 
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Yikes, 5130mg. Rats a rot of Ricotine.

I would when Rena Failure would set in Saying you lived that it?

15x.18=2.7 50/2.7=18.519

Let me walk through mine here.

15ml bottle with 18 micro-grams of nicotine in it, so I put the micro-grams as .18 and multiplied by 15. This gives me 2.7 grams of nicotine per 15ml bottle.

The suggested toxic dose of nicotine is listed at 50 grams. I divided that by the 2.7 grams to get around 19 bottles.

Ah. I did not carry that out per pound. If I do, 475; 15ml bottles are needed to be toxic to a 25lbs child. 7,125 ml would be needed, or roughly 30; 8 oz (240ml) bottles.

I pay around $40 USD for a 240ml bottle of juice. To stand aside and watch a child of 25lbs kick back and chug away $40 of juice to me would seem rather terrible. A full 30 bottles like that would run $1,200 USD. Sorry, I know there are likely parents of human children who are stupid enough to let that happen. I just find it incredulous.

Again, if I'm off on my maths I'm sorry. I only took the government required general public education up to high school. No one ever really pushed STEM on me as it seemed clear I was just another bit of military fodder.

Now, I play catch up.
 

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The suggested toxic dose of nicotine is listed at 50 grams. I divided that by the 2.7 grams to get around 19 bottles.
Lethal dose will fluctuate depending on weight/size. most resent data shows it will take about 6.5mg per kilogram to kill someone, so for myself about 660mg but if you look at a child that weighs about 45lbs it will only take 130mg, or a infant weighing in at 20lbs its 58mg.

Although that is all based on the low end it's 6.5 to 13 mg/kg

24mg (Per Milliliter) x 15ml =360mg
18mg (Per Milliliter) x 15ml = 270mg
12mg (Per Milliliter) x 15ml = 180mg
6mg (Per Milliliter) x15ml = 90mg
3mg (Per Milliliter) x 15ml = 45mg

Luckily though nicotine poisoning will induce vomiting in most cases so even if you do ingest a larger amount you will mostly likely puke it up before you come close to *dying..
 
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