Inawera's response to questions regarding their use of Diacetyl & related Diketones

[Soylent_Seal]

I reached out to the folks at Inawerashop.com and Inaweraflavours.com to find out if Inawera uses Diacetle or related Diketones. The latter responded quickly with a simple

Our flavours do not contain diacetyl or diketones.

but Inawerashop, after a series of emails, provided me with the file I've attached to the post.

I can't tell if it is actually relevant or not though, so I thought I'd post it here to see if anyone else could decode it.

 

[HeadInClouds]

The attachment is not really relevant - basically saying their products are food safe and meet European regulations for food flavorings, store in a dark place, and so on. No mention of diacetyl or any of the derivatives, no mention of vaping.

 

[Soylent_Seal]

The attachment is not really relevant - basically saying their products are food safe and meet European regulations for food flavorings, store in a dark place, and so on. No mention of diacetyl or any of the derivatives, no mention of vaping.

That's what I was thinking, but hoping against. I tried to look up several of the quoted statutes/laws but quickly got bogged down in legalese.

 

[we2rcool]

Sadly & frustratingly, we're seeing a very common theme: flavor vendors making claims, but not providing evidence to back up their claims.

When and if a company does the testing that will prove their flavors are free of chemicals that are known inhalation risks - they pay for those tests. Who in the world has ever paid to prove something, and then not been willing to share the very proof they paid to get? Right, no one.

 

[glasseye]

Marcelina at InaweraShop told me that the flavors do not contain diacetyl or it would be in the product sheets.

 

[Soylent_Seal]

Marcelina at InaweraShop told me that the flavors do not contain diacetyl or it would be in the product sheets.

This is who I was talking to. The sheet I linked to is what she gave me when I pressed for an answer.

 

[we2rcool]

Marcelina at InaweraShop told me that the flavors do not contain diacetyl or it would be in the product sheets.

Okay, so where do we find the "product sheets"? ...that will reveal exactly what type of testing has been done (and the results thereof) - OR - if they have their own "lab-kitchen" and resident mixologists/flavor-chemists, they might not feel the need to test what they already know...so if the "product sheets" don't have test results, they'd have the list of chemicals used.

We'd all love to see and support a vendor that can & will prove their claims!

 

[glasseye]

I don't know where you'd find the product sheets. I poked around a little and didn't come up with anything. I found the parent company once but didn't bookmark it. I just choose to believe they're telling the truth and aren't hiding anything. After trying and testing (not paid or affiliated in any way) upwards of 75 or so flavors and not detecting anything off or off-putting, I'm good with that.

 

[we2rcool]

I don't know where you'd find the product sheets. I poked around a little and didn't come up with anything. I found the parent company once but didn't bookmark it. I just choose to believe they're telling the truth and aren't hiding anything. After trying and testing (not paid or affiliated in any way) upwards of 75 or so flavors and not detecting anything off or off-putting, I'm good with that.

Oops-us-sorry, if we came across somehow as attacking *you*. We're all about everybody choosing whatever version of "good with that" they choose, and you're certainly not 'at fault' in any way!

Since the *only* thing a flavor vendor/manufacturer *has* to do in order to rake in money from vapers is come up with good flavors & meet "food flavoring standards" (which allow the use of the diacetyl/related chemicals) - and since this DOES put the vaping community 'at risk' (via health and/or regulation-control from the authorities), this is something we choose to be "not good with".

So yeah, we take this issue personally - but we don't EVER mean to judge or attack any other person!

 

[Ryedan]

The attachment is not really relevant - basically saying their products are food safe and meet European regulations for food flavorings, store in a dark place, and so on. No mention of diacetyl or any of the derivatives, no mention of vaping.

Yup . There are no regulations for flavorings for inhalation and diacetyl is AFAIK safe to eat.

 

[Ryedan]

Dual post ...

 

[glasseye]

Oops-us-sorry, if we came across somehow as attacking *you*. We're all about everybody choosing whatever version of "good with that" they choose, and you're certainly not 'at fault' in any way!

Since the *only* thing a flavor vendor/manufacturer *has* to do in order to rake in money from vapers is come up with good flavors & meet "food flavoring standards" (which allow the use of the diacetyl/related chemicals) - and since this DOES put the vaping community 'at risk' (via health and/or regulation-control from the authorities), this is something we choose to be "not good with".

So yeah, we take this issue personally - but we don't EVER mean to judge or attack any other person!

Oh gosh no! I didn't feel I was being attacked at all! I just re-read that post, and while I didn't mean to come across as cranky or grumpy, I guess it kind of did anyway. You and I, we're good. I appreciate your research and posts on the subject. All I meant was that I'm good with taking their word for it since I detect nothing myself and understand that approach is not for everyone.

 

[we2rcool]

WeALLrcool

 

[Soylent_Seal]

Biuro at inawera.com (the company itself, not just a reseller) just replied back to me saying they don't use any of the three ingredients in question.

 

[bcollier9253]

Biuro at inawera.com (the company itself, not just a reseller) just replied back to me saying they don't use any of the three ingredients in question.

Famous last words... They said... Where is their proof? That is the main question

 

[Soylent_Seal]

Famous last words... They said... Where is their proof? That is the main question

I've held off on replying yet due to this exactly. After TFA "discovered" that flavors they supposedly manufacture had custard notes despite their belief they do not, I'm wary of any unsubstantiated claims.

The thing is, I'm not entirely certain what to ask for as proof. Any recommendations?

 

[bcollier9253]

Documented Msds Sheets filed by the testing company. Same as TFA has done, just my opinion though. My guess would be as good as yours though.

 

[horton]

Slightly off topic.... didn't the lady who owns TPA brag about how all their flavors were tested using mass spec? Her daughter was somehow involved too in the testing if memory serves and there were but a few with problematic ingredients. I remember when told this thinking, huh -- Mom and daughter verifying each others claims. Just shows an independent third party testing lab is needed if the controversy is ever going to be put to bed so to speak.