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Got a second Subtank Mini from Sweet Vapes along with some black O-rings. Subtank mini rba deck has the old style clear insulator which is weird.

Is it safe to use it? I heard there were issues with taste/cracking etc... Not sure why I didn't get one with the peek insulator since the one I got a week and a half ago from a different site had the newer tan one in it.

Tempted to email them about it.
The CLEAR and BROWN is PEEK insulator. The WHITE one was the one with issue.
 

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Hi guys, I've been using RDA for my entire life. I want to get a subtank mini for a long road trip so I dont need to drip juices all the time.
Does subtank works well with 80VG juice?? Thanks!
It should work well with 80vg. In my opinion, the subtank would be suitable for you as I find it almost similar to a dripper.
 

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Hi guys, I've been using RDA for my entire life. I want to get a subtank mini for a long road trip so I dont need to drip juices all the time.
Does subtank works well with 80VG juice?? Thanks!

Mornin' iggy. Works exceedingly well for a clearo with the 100% variety (careful with tobacco posted pics earlier). Any moderately pigmented juice should be just fine at 80 and expect good performance for 3-4 days, poss a week depending on your predilection.

Mind you this tank has the potential to blow your sox off, if you learn to rebuild. Get tensioned if you dare.

:D

Good luck.


Protank Cotton Rebuild, the way I do it
Protank MicroCoil Discussion!!
Tensioned Micro Coils. The next step.




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I give it a stab... All you science types please correct me if I am wrong! ;-)

The .5 OCCs contain more wire which translates to more surface area. Given the same amount of wattage (heat) on the coil as a whole that should mean that the heat is spread out wider. This would mean that the actual temp of the wire in contact with the juice & cotton is lower. Also since the wire is bigger the area where the juice is being boiled (vaporized) stays lower down and in closer contact with the cotton. This would allow the cotton to absorb the components in the juice that don't like to vaporize. These are usually sweeteners & tobacco flavor elements. When these hard to vaporize elements get up high on the wire they will stick to it and accumulate. Once stuck to your wire they keep getting cooked over and over with each vape which is where we get those ugly formations of gunk and scale. The gunk and scale will also reduce the efficiency of the coil which leads to things like popping and spitting, nasty flavors. etc.

Since you are using a sweet juice with good results sounds like you might be onto something here. I LOVE sweet juices so I might have to give this a try myself. THANKS FOR SHARING!

You make some very interesting observations here Mr. R!

Even though these coils are massively big, massively hot, they're really gunking, end-to-end, hmmm. I think you're right. But not the same heat over a larger area, lots more. In fact the pictures I took show the effects of that.

An interesting notion that…juice can exude from the wick yet still not vaporize. I agree, 100%.

There is a thing called the thermal (evaporation) zone. It resides in extreme proximity to the wire itself. The closer to normal atmospheric pressure, the higher the vaporization temperature that the liquid must reach to evaporate. Open winds don't build as high internal pressures as microcoils I'd suggest here. So heat and expansion send more juice to the wick surface without reaching vape temp. Considerable amounts do while very hot contact the coil. What happens to hot organics (like food) when they hit a an extremely hot dry surface? Simple answer, char.

Juice that just heats up outside of the TZ...like between spacing of coils…will just cook. If you're getting high vapor output it's due to the over-abundance of power needed for this level of production. But high output energy doesn't necessarily mean high-efficiency, as in this case, a clean operation.

Also inefficient spaced winds overcome the intermittent dispersal of the TZ with lots of power. This produces diffusion of the portion of the juice flow that was vaporized. That is, heating and expansion of the vapor...after the fact. It's actually [not/I] more vaporization exactly; but, an increase of partial vaporization. That is, perhaps over what we're accustomed to seeing from a clearo.

What didn't get vaporized, you ask? You're looking at it…


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So you're right Mr. R, the wire temp's may be higher. But the surface temp's as a ratio to the coil surface overall are lower. And not enough to vaporize the rate of flow of fluid.

But clouds and flavor can coexist with a smart design and that's why we can blow it out of the park rebuilding.

Thx your thoughts Mr. R.

Good luck.

:)

p.s. Close contact to cotton is not particularly a feature of these new coils any more than previously. In part that's what's contributing to accretion. It's tight but not a controlled and uniform tightness, enough to compensate for gravity sag with use. Not a user-friendly environment either in the replacement coils to adjust for that. The OCC head is not a rebuildable/rewickable platform. Not intended or designed to be. It's a single use device. A consumable. So cotton, rayon, etc. of variable shape and density are not the practical media for those of us who can't be constantly rebuilding. Why I applaud Kanger for finally incorporating an RBA. But if we're expecting a different result using the same means of production in an OCC…hehhhh. I wouldn't count on it.
 

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I just want to share my joy... I've got the .5 ohm coil that came for the rba in my tank. Been using it a lil over a week and almost daily I've been rewicking trying different things. Rayon, JC, and organic cotton from rite aid... Learning how much to use is whwre it's at. No matter how many posts I read, videos I watched, I always got dry hits... I swre if I bought this tank, I would learn and not throw it in the graveyard... I've been trying to get rayon to work mainly because it was easier for me to work with. It kept form better than either cotton did, for me. However, the last few days in all three of my daily drivers (2 egrips and sub mini) I felt I lost all flavor... I decided to go back to JC and tried cutting the cotton even SHORTER than any other time and BAM!!!! FLAVOR, no dry hits, and best of all I have FINALLY been able to go up past 17watts WITHOUT dry or burny hits!!!! I'm moving forward!!! Finally... so happy... Thanks to all for the help. For pics and descriptions :) It may only be wicking today but hopefully soon I'll have my own coils to rave about as well... That is still a work in progress... making the coil is going well, and installation is getting better... soon, very soon I will have the best of both worlds :vapor:
 

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I have never been one for aesthetics. I have always been about function and ease of function. I guess that is why I am posting this. The red o-rings are starting to bother me. Some people don't think this tank is flashy enough. I think it is too flashy. Is there a reason the O-rings are red? Is it a material color, or just for looks? I would much prefer black, grey or white o-rings. Is there a chance that Kanger will eventually release other colored o-rings for the SubTank line?

Hi Medic!
I found Sweet Vapes is selling them.in their website.
I dont like much their service, but with a product like this, I think you won´t have any problem.
3pc Subtank O-Rings
 

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How bout some pics if those modded juice channels unk?

I will try to take some tonight. I was too tired to take any the night I did it. I will take a side by side with my wife's stock subtank mini RBA section to see the slight difference. At least at the time I thought it was slight lol.
 

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I just want to share my joy... I've got the .5 ohm coil that came for the rba in my tank. Been using it a lil over a week and almost daily I've been rewicking trying different things. Rayon, JC, and organic cotton from rite aid... Learning how much to use is whwre it's at. No matter how many posts I read, videos I watched, I always got dry hits... I swre if I bought this tank, I would learn and not throw it in the graveyard... I've been trying to get rayon to work mainly because it was easier for me to work with. It kept form better than either cotton did, for me. However, the last few days in all three of my daily drivers (2 egrips and sub mini) I felt I lost all flavor... I decided to go back to JC and tried cutting the cotton even SHORTER than any other time and BAM!!!! FLAVOR, no dry hits, and best of all I have FINALLY been able to go up past 17watts WITHOUT dry or burny hits!!!! I'm moving forward!!! Finally... so happy... Thanks to all for the help. For pics and descriptions :) It may only be wicking today but hopefully soon I'll have my own coils to rave about as well... That is still a work in progress... making the coil is going well, and installation is getting better... soon, very soon I will have the best of both worlds :vapor:

Congrats bro. Yeah, getting the density squared away with loose fiber is a b!!tch. Gotta keep juice channels clear but enough chunky to get ya there.

Hey, be a pal. post a pic! Will ya?

:D

Good luck vj.

p.s. I use plenty of media, more than most. Chunky! Tuck it between the posts to allow clear screw on for the housing. Gently pull it out then and gingerly fluff and coax it back down towards the juice channels. Reason is I want the wick pushin' up, pressin' up against the top of the end turns, always. It will collapse with weight when juiced. Not enough support there from the tail and the end turn's exposed. Your res will go high, vape hot and the proverbial gunked up. Then you'll be b!!tchin' at me why the damned microcoil don't work. Just sayin'. Keep it pouffy.

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Hi Medic!
I found Sweet Vapes is selling them.in their website.
I dont like much their service, but with a product like this, I think you won´t have any problem.
3pc Subtank O-Rings

KangerUS has 4 (different color) sets of 3 for 5.99 (click), or you can buy a specific set of 3 for 1.99 (click).
 

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As a downside to the general satisfaction, the mini gives me ”wheezing”. And I'm not chain-vaping. Much more so if I inhale directly.

On the bright side, I can now stay over one full day without vaping. Smoking is definitely out of the question.

im vaping 20-30mls /day, no wheezing, could be an allergic reaction to one of the ingredients in ur ejuice, i make my own btw
 

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im vaping 20-30mls /day, no wheezing, could be an allergic reaction to one of the ingredients in ur ejuice, i make my own btw

I make my own juices too, and I'm under 10 ml/day. Have tried pure VG, pure PG and any combination in between. :)

Might be I'm allergic to nicotine, which would be supremely ironic (was a smoker for 33 years). :D


Rapid increase in nic as you take in volume from these high output devices can be a major irritant. I had always suspected as I transitioned to drippers that PG is a major irritant for me. I'm 100% VG wherever possible and it does pump up production which can impact flavor and vapor in a good way. I'm not totally convinced some PG is not beneficial. I have a couple of juice blends that really shine at 72% VG.

And yeah, I go out of my comfort zone and wheeze. You betcha. Over or under juiced wick, same thing. But never have had a problem with flavor concentration. Mixed DIY to 33%, no problem.

I'm flavor sensitive and at risk (respiratory/cardio vasc).

Good luck all.

:)
 
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