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Reply from EU to Dr Farselinos et al

Discussion in 'EU Legislation' started by Julie W, Feb 1, 2014.

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  1. Julie W

    Julie W Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 31, 2013
  2. wv2win

    wv2win ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Feb 10, 2009
    GA by way of WV
    It's laughable that the EU representative implies that the scientists may have e-cigarette conflict of interests (which they don't) and brings up the need for transparency. I wonder how many EU politicians are bought and paid for by the Big Pharm industry just like in the US?
  3. NorthOfAtlanta

    NorthOfAtlanta Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Mar 27, 2011
    Canton, GA
    It would be interesting to see the answer if they had asked for any conflicts of interest from the commission on previous employment, grants and campaign donations including BP from those involved in writing the proposed regulations.

    That would be a fun to watch dance.

  4. wv2win

    wv2win ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Feb 10, 2009
    GA by way of WV
    From what I have read about politicians in Europe, from our vaping brethren across the pond, many of their politicians are as bad as the "nanny-state" ones here in the US.
  5. Julie W

    Julie W Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 31, 2013
    That's an absolute given.Underworked & overpaid!!
    E.U.deputies were recently caught on camera signing in for their daily attendance allowances
    & then promptly leaving for the day.:evil:
    (Vid in another thread,sorry cant link)
    Nice work if you can get it!
  6. danca90

    danca90 Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 11, 2013
    Zagreb, Croatia
    Lol, in Croatia a politician is successful as long as he stays out of jail.
  7. Julie W

    Julie W Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 31, 2013
  8. Rickajho

    Rickajho ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 23, 2011
    Boston MA
    "Moral high ground" + science? Isn't that the same formula that brought us things like the "science" of eugenics?
  9. jpargana

    jpargana Super Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 5, 2010
    Yes... Pfffffff!, indeed !!

    1) There are NO studies that show clearly that 'youngsters are starting with e-cigs, and then moving to tobacco cigarettes'. To say that, you would need to ask specifically in the (non-existant) study: "Are you currently using tobacco cigarettes?" and "Are you using, or have you used in the past, electronic cigarettes?"

    2) Tobacco use among youngsters is actually decreasing :

    The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary: Despite Drastic Increase in Electronic Cigarette Experimentation from 2011-2012, CDC Survey Finds Decline in Cigarette Smoking Among Youth
    The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary: If Electronic Cigarettes are a Gateway to Smoking, then Why Were Youth Smoking Rates at an All-Time Low in 2013?

    3) The fact that 'e-cig use is raising among youth', paired with thee fact that 'tobacco use is decreasing among youth' can have a logical explanation: youngsters are being sucessful in quitting cigarettes - just as their not-so-young counterparts... how can that be seen as a negative thing? OK, I know, minors were not supposed to be using the e-cig... well, guess what? They were not supposed to be smoking either... I can speak for myself: I started when I was fifteen. That is the real world out there...

    4) "For the sake of completeness we would like to ask for clarification whether the scientists that have signed the mail have undertaken research, provided consulting or received funding/travel support from electronic cigarettes companies"

    Really...? Dr Siegel's blog is full of entries about 'pseudo-scientists' who always 'forget' to state their own conflicts of interest with BP... I'm not saying those conflicts are not a problem... they are. But why are they given any significance only when it comes to the e-cig? :glare:
  10. DrMA

    DrMA Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 26, 2013
    Seattle area
    As expected, the letter fell on deaf ears, and was dismissed wholesale and with extreme prejudice... :facepalm:
  11. Steamix

    Steamix Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 21, 2013
    copies to 'shadow' rappoteurs...

    and they're asking for transparency.

    Can fault them for a lot of things, but can't fault 'em for chuzpah...

    Reminds me always of a quote from 'Avatar' .... They're p***ing on us and don't even have the decency to call it rain...
  12. Julie W

    Julie W Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 31, 2013
    I'm perhaps overstating the obvious but all this has more to do with B.T. losing it's next generation of 'Victims' than protecting the children,they finally have competition! & they know new smokers will never choose or go back to the vile tasting coffin nails that they have on offer.Why should they??
    So yeah perhaps it is about the children:evil:
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