Seems a lot of vapers are psychologically addicted to nicotine, then. Every time there is another FDA scare, new stockpiling threads appear...
FDA Were these guys telling the truth all along?
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I stockpiled ammo and bought a new AR-15 when Obama and Holder started going after guns again. Does that make me psychologically addicted to smokeless powder, brass, steel, or lead?
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Perhaps. The Admin sure has been great for gun and ammo manufacturers and retailers, who prey on the fears of those who psychologically feel they need to stockpile weapons...
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I agree with you on this one. They are psychologically dependent. I found that I was not physically addicted through an accident. Once I realized what i did (forgot to put the nicotine in my juice) I was psychologically free of the need of nicotine. Now I can take it or leave it. When I smoked I was trained that nicotine was extremely addictive and it was incredibility hard to quit, I would run to the store to get my next few packs if I was running low any time day or night regardless of what was going on. Once the nicotine is removed from tobacco the addiction changes from a physical addition to a psychological dependance, that is until you have an eureka moment.
I'll order a bottle of 0 nic next purchase to see what happens...
Order two bottles, one zero one with nic, and take the labels off and mix the bottles so you do not know which one has nic and which one does not.
You might be fine and you might not be. Just knowing there is 0 nicotine can make you think you need it. My wife is very psychologically dependent on lots of things and has the hardest time quitting everything... nicotine, caffeine, redbull, and whatever else she loves. I'm the opposite. I fear addiction and will stop doing anything that I feel is taking over my life or had the potential to do so. It's one of the reasons I quit drinking alcohol 8 years ago...too many drinks in the family and I didn't want to become one of them.
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I don't know - buy you'd assume that the only reason they've been picked up is because they sought treatment. In which case, clearly they considered themselves to be dependent. And as I said earlier, on these questions you have to take people at their word.
I think this can all be quite easily resolved.
There's a hell of a lot of phenomenology going on in this thread, which is useful in illustrating the degree to which peoples' experiences differ on the question of dependence.
And I think it's this simple - dependence clearly exists on a continuum along which we all sit.
Also - it's not gone unnoticed. One academic (who spoke at the summit) told me they believe vapers to be less dependent. The problem is, the scale for measuring dependence in vapers is not yet developed. It's not as easy as with cigarettes, either.
There's a hell of a lot of phenomenology going on in this thread, which is useful in illustrating the degree to which peoples' experiences differ on the question of dependence.
And I think it's this simple - dependence clearly exists on a continuum along which we all sit.
Also - it's not gone unnoticed. One academic (who spoke at the summit) told me they believe vapers to be less dependent. The problem is, the scale for measuring dependence in vapers is not yet developed. It's not as easy as with cigarettes, either.
Nate - here's the study on never smokers and nicotine gum. It's by JF Etter: BMC Public Health | Full text | Addiction to the nicotine gum in never smokers
Of note: Two never smokers had never used smokeless tobacco, both answered "extremely true" to: "I use nicotine gums because I am addicted to them", both "fully agreed" with: "after a few hours without chewing a nicotine gum, I feel an irresistible urge to chew one" and: "I am a prisoner of nicotine gum".
Of note: Two never smokers had never used smokeless tobacco, both answered "extremely true" to: "I use nicotine gums because I am addicted to them", both "fully agreed" with: "after a few hours without chewing a nicotine gum, I feel an irresistible urge to chew one" and: "I am a prisoner of nicotine gum".
I'm addicted to my daily free weight and stationary bicycle ride. Along with that, I'm disappointed if my schedule doesn't allow me to do my workout. I'm also addicted to the Star Trek TNG episodes that I watch daily on Amazon Prime while I ride.
We are all creatures of habit. I'm finding myself more addicted to the actions of vaping than the medicinal content. With vaping I get to mimic "smoking" while doing something I believe to be much, much safer and that is satisfying without all the tar and deadly chemicals.
OTOH, I found myself not as addicted to the 24mg juice I thought I had to have. I was able to reduce my nic level downward to 6mg over a few months without fanfare. I'm as happy at 6mg as I was at 24mg and I'm experiencing less irritation due to the reduced TH.
We are all creatures of habit. I'm finding myself more addicted to the actions of vaping than the medicinal content. With vaping I get to mimic "smoking" while doing something I believe to be much, much safer and that is satisfying without all the tar and deadly chemicals.
OTOH, I found myself not as addicted to the 24mg juice I thought I had to have. I was able to reduce my nic level downward to 6mg over a few months without fanfare. I'm as happy at 6mg as I was at 24mg and I'm experiencing less irritation due to the reduced TH.
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Hey there Dave, you might want to get some professional help with that Treki addiction, who knows where it may lead-good episodes are hard to kick! A solid 2 hours of guitar scale practice is what i prescribe for myself although i hate to self medicate generally speaking.
Just sitting around twiddling my fingers and being introspective doesn't satisfy my addiction to surfing (adrenaline) and I get really irritable if (apparent) global warming has ruined my favorite sandbar, forcing me to bird watch on the beach all day
good post Nate.
i would however like to add the following.
first what is addiction.
Definition of ADDICTION
: compulsive physiological need for and use of a habit-forming substance (as ......, nicotine, or alcohol) characterized by tolerance and by well-defined physiological symptoms upon withdrawal; broadly : persistent compulsive use of a substance known by the user to be physically, psychologically, or socially harmfulcompare habituation.
Addiction - Medical Definition and More from Merriam-Webster
habit that causes harm to ones self and or others.
the regulation of tobacco did not really become onerous until
after the connection to second hand health concerns came about.
(the truths of these claims are best left to another thread.)
if vaping is a safe as current science indicates the addiction
straw man is thrown out of the works. i know of no one who has died of nicotine
withdrawal.alcohol isn't as heavily regulated precisely because i can drink as
much as i want,you will not get liver disease. this is not a trivial distinction.
the ANTZ are throwing all their eggs into the deadly additive nicotine and
electronic nicotine delivery systems basket. millions of chillin' caught up
into a life time of deadly nicotine enslavement.
the government has to use the medical definition above in order to
regulate. it would appear that on the face of it they couldn't but
because people do not understand the term addiction and how
and why laws and regulations are formed to address addiction
they will try non the less.
i am vapor.
i am not an addict.
regards
mike
i would however like to add the following.
first what is addiction.
Definition of ADDICTION
: compulsive physiological need for and use of a habit-forming substance (as ......, nicotine, or alcohol) characterized by tolerance and by well-defined physiological symptoms upon withdrawal; broadly : persistent compulsive use of a substance known by the user to be physically, psychologically, or socially harmfulcompare habituation.
Addiction - Medical Definition and More from Merriam-Webster
habit that causes harm to ones self and or others.
the regulation of tobacco did not really become onerous until
after the connection to second hand health concerns came about.
(the truths of these claims are best left to another thread.)
if vaping is a safe as current science indicates the addiction
straw man is thrown out of the works. i know of no one who has died of nicotine
withdrawal.alcohol isn't as heavily regulated precisely because i can drink as
much as i want,you will not get liver disease. this is not a trivial distinction.
the ANTZ are throwing all their eggs into the deadly additive nicotine and
electronic nicotine delivery systems basket. millions of chillin' caught up
into a life time of deadly nicotine enslavement.
the government has to use the medical definition above in order to
regulate. it would appear that on the face of it they couldn't but
because people do not understand the term addiction and how
and why laws and regulations are formed to address addiction
they will try non the less.
i am vapor.
i am not an addict.
regards
mike
Nicotine improves memory, concentration, and attention, even in people who have never used nicotine before.
And some people believe it may well help prevent Alzheimers and Parkinsons.
In light of that, perhaps you can understand why I personally vape e-liquid with nicotine even though I am neither dependent nor addicted.
Hey there Dave, you might want to get some professional help with that Treki addiction, who knows where it may lead-good episodes are hard to kick! A solid 2 hours of guitar scale practice is what i prescribe for myself although i hate to self medicate generally speaking.
Just sitting around twiddling my fingers and being introspective doesn't satisfy my addiction to surfing (adrenaline) and I get really irritable if (apparent) global warming has ruined my favorite sandbar, forcing me to bird watch on the beach all day
I get in several of hours a week in practice and performances (church praise band - 1 set on Sunday and a Thursday night 2 hour rehearsal). I try to spend a few minutes a day on the acoustic doing scales and finger exercises. Heavy strings are like a using a warmup bat in baseball! They make the Les Paul feel really fluid and easy.
Watching all those TV reruns on Amazon are addicting and they keep me wanting to work out to find out what happened on TNG.
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Another example (as if we needed one) where government anti-smoking policy has the opposite of the desired effect. Hammer it into people's heads that nicotine is a horribly addictive drug, well-nigh impossible to quit, and all you've really done is make everyone terrified of ever running out of cigarettes.
That's funny.I'm about to go have my second slice of pecan pie tonight...I've been craving it all day. I hope I'm not addicted
I crave pizza nearly every waking minute of every single day.
Every time I see a commercial for pizza all I can talk about is how much I want some pizza.
But I haven't had any pizza since the first Charger game this season.
And probably won't have any again for quite some time.
Unless the Chargers make the playoffs.
Oh, yeah, and I freaking LOVE pecan pie!!
Yes!! They are possessed by the Nicodemon! Just ask any of the nut jobs on the hardcore quit-smoking forums.
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