Discussion in 'Media and General News' started by TennDave, Feb 24, 2012.
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Hmmmmmm ..... I would have to say "Yes".
I think this guy takes the cake.
I have a few words for that guy, asinine, backward, deranged, dim-witted, dull, fatuous, feeble-minded, idiotic, imbecilic, inane, ludicrous, *****ic, simple, simple-minded, slow, thick, witless
I just hope that the majority vote was not based on that analogy. I would hope that our politicians are not that dumb...
Yes and No
Can't argue with any of it really. There is no safe level, Analogue user know how much they consuming, Digital users don't know how much they consuming.
"There is no safe level of tobacco smoke. With tobacco cigarettes a user generally knows how much nicotine is being consumed. They know if they are a half-a-pack-a-day smoker. When it comes to an electronic cigarette, you just don't know. You just keep on smoking," Neville said.
Someone needs to point out that this isn't smoking because there is no smoke!!! Most of us know how much nic we are getting because we spend a fortune on the juice. Many are making their own! How would they even enforce this. Note to self, Utah is officially off of the list of places to visit.
Have you worked out the nic you getting ?
My question would be, "Do you know what and how much carcinogenic and other chemicals you are 'smoking' in a cigarette?" I KNOW that NO ONE can answer this question.
Compared to the "unknowns" in a cigarette- we vapors know a whole hell of a lot more. I go through 5~6 ml of 18mg/ml nicotine concentration a day...I know EXACTLY how much I get!
Oh, and I know how many "unknown" chemicals I don't get- ZERO!! I KNOW that number too!!
You know if you're od'ing on nicotine. It's pretty obvious once you have a splitting headache or just plain don't feel right.
And like a poster above mentioned....THERE IS NO SMOKE, SO YOU DON'T JUST "KEEP ON SMOKING".
The point was that if you vaping 5ml of juice at 20mg strength (100mg nicotine daily) you are not de facto a 5PAD equivalent.
I think the point is is that nicotine is NOT the dangerous part of cigarette smoking; it's everything else in the smoke. If I chain smoked to many cigarettes, I could feel the effects. If I chain VAPE too much on my PV, I can feel the effects. The POINT is when I'm vaping I'm not also inhaling numerous known toxins and carcinogens.
It doesn't matter how many 'cigarette equivalents' I'm vaping because in no way, shape or form is smoke equivalent to vapor.
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I don't know the exact amounts, that is true. However, my body does know when I have gotten too little or too much. Unfortunately for me, I'm cheap and would never waste a cigarette so even when it started to make me sick, I'd finish it. If I start feeling a bit off with my ecig, I just put it down.
What these people don't realize is that most of us are responsible human beings. I don't need to be told that I shouldn't use an ecig because I can't measure the amount of nicotine it distributes. I vape when I feel the urge and don't when I'm not feeling it.
I just vape till I fall over. When I wake up I vape more. Id say my Provari is a weapon. If I threw it at someone. Good point on the other things in analogs OP. I was about to post the same thing. What about the negs of cigs, how do u measure the other stuff we no longer inhale? Fact of the matter is that even smoking cigs I never knew how much nic I was getting. It was just me killing myself, and no one cared except my loved ones. Now dude has the nerve to say they where better? What a douche.
The ANTZ have smokers stereotyped: Low level of education, low SES (that's socioeconomic status in plain-speak), low IQ, plus rude, and uncouth.
The ANTZ believe that all the "smart" peeps quit smoking years and years ago. Those who kept on smoking must be too stupid to understand that the practice is hazardous. That's why they have "classes" for people who want to quit smoking.
The OP's title is giving idiots a bad name.
"Compared to the "unknowns" in a cigarette- we vapors know a whole hell of a lot more. I go through 5~6 ml of 18mg/ml nicotine concentration a day...I know EXACTLY how much I get!"
This is seriously OT, well maybe not, considering the comments made by David Neville. When I was smoking, I had between 40 and 50 smokes a day. Now I'm sure I didn't smoke that many cigarettes, but there was a lot of side stream smoke I was also inhaling. How much nicotine and all that other nasty stuff was I inhaling? I don't have a freaking idea.
A bit less than three years later, I'm perfectly happy with 4-5 portions of snus (consistent now for over two years) and 1 to 2 ml of 18-24ml WTA liquid a WEEK. I can actually put my PV down for weeks with no issue. It's more like a treat than an addiction because of the flavors.
Now I don't know how to compare cigarette nicotine to the nic in snus and nicquid, but I can't imagine a can and a half of snus and a couple ml of nicquid comes anywhere near my consumption of 350 cigarettes a week.
Kind of reminds me of an old joke: I don't have a drinking problem. I drink. I get drunk. I fall down. No problem!
Really... Hmmm interesting. Most of us are intelligent and well educated enough to find this forum and read and understand the pros and cons. I think it would be interesting to find out how many of us have advanced degrees. I suspect the number would be high.
I wish I could find it, but anyways several years back it was found that a lot of highly educated professionals smoked due to stress and the stress was also the reason they had problems quitting. It is also a fact that at least us of the older generation - from the 70's and back grew up when smoking was a way of the world. It was done everywhere. It was advertised everywhere. etc. etc. etc...
I sure wish these smart scientists would learn to read.
The quote from the news story:
Their source is an FDA press release about tests conducted in 2009: FDA and Public Health Experts Warn About Electronic Cigarettes
Here is every sentence that contains the word "nicotine".
Electronic cigarettes, also called e-cigarettes, are battery-operated devices that generally contain cartridges filled with nicotine, flavor and other chemicals. [SUP]1 [/SUP]
The electronic cigarette turns nicotine, which is highly addictive, and other chemicals into a vapor that is inhaled by the user.
In addition, these products do not contain any health warnings comparable to FDA-approved nicotine replacement products or conventional cigarettes. [SUP]2[/SUP]
Public health experts expressed concern that electronic cigarettes could increase nicotine addiction and tobacco use in young people. [SUP]3[/SUP]
Because these products have not been submitted to the FDA for evaluation or approval, at this time the agency has no way of knowing, except for the limited testing it has performed, the levels of nicotine or the amounts or kinds of other chemicals that the various brands of these products deliver to the user. [SUP]4[/SUP]
None of the above sentences can be interpreted to mean "The FDA said the products definitely contain harmful levels of nicotine."
Maybe they used the Summary of FDA Analyses document? Let's look: Summary of Results: Laboratory Analysis of Electronic Cigarettes Conducted By FDA
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