I've read oodles of information about long time storage, bottled and freezing nicotine. So I've got a couple liters of 100mg nicotine w/pg base and 1oz 30ml amber glass bottles w/euro droppers. I also got safety glasses, gloves, a disposable aluminum foil roaster pan filled with sand to hold the amber bottles steady. What I don't have is the best method to transfer nicotine from liter to those tiny bottles. Some say just use a funnel but how can I make sure I don't overfill if the bottle is too dark to gauge fluid level. Some say 18g syringe will work but it can be difficult because of possibly drawing air. I don't think it would be wise to push air out of the syringe filled with 100mg nicotine. So how did any of you transferred nicotine from the liter to the small bottles?
What is your method to transfer liter of nicotine to 30ml amber glass bottles?
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What are you transferring from? A bottle with narrow neck, or wide-mouth jar? You can always pour the liquid into a pan or wide-mouth jar and syringe from that. Actually I do this without the needle attached, but that is because I use 100% VG-nic.
A flashlight on its side or a desk lamp will add enough light to see the top of the liquid so you don't over-fill. Glad you brought up the light issue, as this is something that can be a big problem.
A funnel is probably the best thing, but pour very slowly and check the level rising.
I use a cookie sheet for spills, but I don't use sand. I do have a roll of paper towels at the ready.
Sometimes if the mouth of the large bottle is small, I just pour from it to the small amber bottle, but this requires skill, steady hands, and learning to move your eyes, not your head while doing it. I steady one hand with the other while pouring.
Hopefully you have a box of gloves, not just one pair, but if that is the case, and you get nic on the gloves, wash it off right away, gloves on hands, and dry them off before continuing. Too easy in the middle of it to rub an itchy eye. Itches know when you cannot scratch, and they mock you!
You want to leave about 2 mL of headroom in a bottle. This may mean you are pouring actually a bit more than 30 mL, since bottles usually are measured to where they start to taper in, not the full bottle capacity. You can eyeball this headroom. Just a bit to allow for expansion.
PG is much easier to transfer than the unthinned VG I use, so just be careful, focused, sober, well-lit, and you should be fine. It will feel fantastic having all those little bottles ready for enjoyment in the freezer! And I'm glad you are trying the eurodroppers. I think you will like how they work with a syringe (you may have to force the needle through the first time).
PM me if you want more guidance. Good luck!
A flashlight on its side or a desk lamp will add enough light to see the top of the liquid so you don't over-fill. Glad you brought up the light issue, as this is something that can be a big problem.
A funnel is probably the best thing, but pour very slowly and check the level rising.
I use a cookie sheet for spills, but I don't use sand. I do have a roll of paper towels at the ready.
Sometimes if the mouth of the large bottle is small, I just pour from it to the small amber bottle, but this requires skill, steady hands, and learning to move your eyes, not your head while doing it. I steady one hand with the other while pouring.
Hopefully you have a box of gloves, not just one pair, but if that is the case, and you get nic on the gloves, wash it off right away, gloves on hands, and dry them off before continuing. Too easy in the middle of it to rub an itchy eye. Itches know when you cannot scratch, and they mock you!
You want to leave about 2 mL of headroom in a bottle. This may mean you are pouring actually a bit more than 30 mL, since bottles usually are measured to where they start to taper in, not the full bottle capacity. You can eyeball this headroom. Just a bit to allow for expansion.
PG is much easier to transfer than the unthinned VG I use, so just be careful, focused, sober, well-lit, and you should be fine. It will feel fantastic having all those little bottles ready for enjoyment in the freezer! And I'm glad you are trying the eurodroppers. I think you will like how they work with a syringe (you may have to force the needle through the first time).
PM me if you want more guidance. Good luck!
Kurt,
Great information as I was watching this thread for exact same information (thanks OP). I have the Euro bottles and nic stuff in route now.
Question though... is there an advantage or diadvantage of one nic base versus another, assuming you are generally in the mid PG/VG area of mix in terms of storage/longevity? For lack of any other information, I have the 100Ml amber euros I will break larger shipment down to. Is this a good size breakdown, or is smaller better? I noted you mention 30 above. No issue to buy more, as they are very cheap.
Thanks
ADDED : Just as I wrote this and hit send WL called me with a question on my order and I had the chance to discussed this with them. They say no difference at all between PG and VG concerns storage and do recommend smaller 30-50ML bottles.
Great information as I was watching this thread for exact same information (thanks OP). I have the Euro bottles and nic stuff in route now.
Question though... is there an advantage or diadvantage of one nic base versus another, assuming you are generally in the mid PG/VG area of mix in terms of storage/longevity? For lack of any other information, I have the 100Ml amber euros I will break larger shipment down to. Is this a good size breakdown, or is smaller better? I noted you mention 30 above. No issue to buy more, as they are very cheap.
Thanks
ADDED : Just as I wrote this and hit send WL called me with a question on my order and I had the chance to discussed this with them. They say no difference at all between PG and VG concerns storage and do recommend smaller 30-50ML bottles.
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rather than trying to watch the level in a 30ml amber bottle, why not use a syringe and measure before you put it in the bottle? Then you know exactly how much you are putting in the bottle and it cannot overflow.
I split mine into 60 ml bottles. Still small and not as expensive as buying double glass bottles to store it all. I used a big 30 ml plastic syringe with wide opening (no needle) at the base. I sterilized it with Everclear and boiled my bottles to sterilize. I use the big syringe for my high VG mixes and it works great. I tend to make a 60 ml batch of my all day DIY at a time. It's been awhile and I can't remember where I got it from but I use it alot!
I'm using a graduated cylinder, 50mL size, as the mouth is very wide open and allows easy transfer to 30mL Amber glass bottles. Hope that helps!
Can do that too, of course. I tend to just pour, so I need to watch the level.
In my experience, VG nics last for years unchanged in the freezer. PG nic depends on the purity. WL would probably last essentially forever, since it is quite pure. Other PG-nics I have had were probably less pure, and they did go yellow-orange after a year, but took on a delightful tobacco flavor. Not to everyone's taste, perhaps, bu I liked it.
depending on the neck of the bottle, would a pour spout for liquor/spirit bottles work? They are pretty precise for pouring liquor, and i would think a slower moving viscous liquid like nic juice wouldn't be difficult to pour out of those things.
Know this a little old but I just did 4 liters. I used 120 ml bottles. I just put them in bowl and poured straight from plastic container into the bottles. I had VG so a little better control. I couldn't have lost more than 1/2 mil and it went quick.
I used a 100ml graduated cylinder and a few different size bomex glass funnels I got from Wizard Labs. That way I could measure out about what would fit into my 2 oz bottles then use the cylinder and smaller funnels to pour it. I also used plumbers (teflon) tape to seal the threads on the bottles for long term storage. I happen to have a chemical respirator mask so I used that. I guess you can use a dust mask and do it in the kitchen with the hood fan going. Gloves and long sleeves a must. I didn't bother with an apron. Anyway that was my process. Hope it helps.
I had a collection of Badger Glass paint Jars.
Realizing the light in the freezer goes off and I would be packing all the jars in a Box wrapped individually and the box wrapped, I opted to use the clear jars and save money.
I don't think the Nicotine knows the jar is clear in the Dark.
Realizing the light in the freezer goes off and I would be packing all the jars in a Box wrapped individually and the box wrapped, I opted to use the clear jars and save money.
I don't think the Nicotine knows the jar is clear in the Dark.
When I read da question, da first things I though of was a flashlight and graduated cylinders. But then I thought, how 'bout a piece of cork that would fit into the bottle mouth? Pour slowly until ya see da cork from above!
I used a syringe, wrap each bottle in bubble wrap and then I store them in a plastic coffee can in the freezer. Also mark the bottles well.
Good thread.
I have some apocalypse nic en route from WL, 500ml each PG and VG. I was thinking of transferring it to wide mouth canning jars (easy-peasy), then putting it into a box and into the freezer. What do you think? Good, bad idea? How much headroom should I leave?
This base isn't for any kind of immediate or near future use. Totally just for peace of mind.
I have some apocalypse nic en route from WL, 500ml each PG and VG. I was thinking of transferring it to wide mouth canning jars (easy-peasy), then putting it into a box and into the freezer. What do you think? Good, bad idea? How much headroom should I leave?
This base isn't for any kind of immediate or near future use. Totally just for peace of mind.
I thought about using canning jars myself but the issue I see is the size of the jar. With a large pint jar,when you pull it out of the freezer
to begin using it a larger amount will have longer to oxides due to air and opening over and over. Maybe the smaller canning jars, jelly jar size.
The canning jars I have used would hold too much, and have way too much surface area exposed when open for DIYing some juice. Also, the rubber seals on those may not do well with PG or VG over the long haul. If they are holding lower nic level, like 36 mg or less, and you are going through the liquid quickly, then they might be ok, but you are still dealing with a lot of surface area exposed to the air when opened.
Smaller dark glass bottles with septa or euro inserts for syringe access are truly the best I know of. If preservation of the nic is the goal, both in freezer storage and bottles out for DIY, this really is the best way to go. I am a chemist of 30 years experience, and this was the conclusion I and other chemists here came up with back in 2009, and I have yet to find anything better. Some of my VG nic-liquids are going on 4 years old, with no change at all to them. Doesn't mean other glass containers will not be good, even very good, but I do think this method is the very best.
What is the largest size glass bottle you like to store nic base in? I was thinking about getting a large quantity of 100mg nic VG and storing it in the freezer.. I don't have any amber glass bottles yet, but I will buy them.. just not sure how big I should go! What about for longterm storage, should they still be in smaller glass bottles?
I store mostly 100 mg VG. I like 30-50 mL bottles for storing in the freezer, so I have a minimum out at any one time for dispensing to make a juice. If I go to say 100 mL bottles, then I'm going to have a bottle out being used for many months. But then even at room temperature, dark glass will keep nic much better than a plastic bottle.
I did run out of small bottles recently, and so there is a 500 mL glass bottle in my freezer of WL 100 mg. I had a bottle, they ship in plastic jars these days. When I decide to use it (what year that will be IDK), I will transfer the liquid to smaller bottles, rather than continually dipping into the one 500 mL bottle. That is the primary point of using the smaller bottles. Allows the rest of the nic to be protected while you DIY from one.
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